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Title: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: godfreychas on Wednesday 15 June 22 12:09 BST (UK)
Rosina Palmer b ant 1910 in London - who were her parents?

She is shown in the 1911 census at the home of Phillip Charles Cooper aged 38 with Fanny Jane Cooper, Henry Phillip Cooper and Alfred William Cooper. 

But who were her parents?  Fanny Jane was a Palmer so I assume one of her relatives - but which one?
Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: Girl Guide on Wednesday 15 June 22 12:34 BST (UK)
If she was definitely born in Lambeth then this birth record would fit

PALMER, ROSINA       DOWLEY 
GRO Reference: 1901  J Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 431
Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: Girl Guide on Wednesday 15 June 22 12:37 BST (UK)
There is this marriage which may mean that Fanny had a brother

Marriages Jun 1897

DOWLEY    Elizabeth Ellen        Chelsea    1a   818   
PALMER    Charles Frederick        Chelsea    1a   818
Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 15 June 22 12:43 BST (UK)
Philip Charles Cooper married Fanny Jane Palmer Q1 1896 Holborn district
Possibly Fanny Jane Palmer and Charles Frederick Palme are siblings
Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 15 June 22 12:47 BST (UK)
Philip Charles and Fanny Jane married 5 Jan 1896, fathers were Joseph Cooper, cloakmaker and William Palmer, bookbinder. Witnesses Alfred isaac Washbrook and Emma Amelia Cooper
Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: godfreychas on Wednesday 15 June 22 17:16 BST (UK)
Thanks for all the replies relating to Rosina palmer.  Much appreciated - I'll follow up on them.
Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 15 June 22 20:58 BST (UK)
1891 - Aberdeen Rd, Islington

William Palmer    48    Head  Commercial traveller
Sarah A Palmer   46    Wife
Charles F Palmer   21    Son  Journalist author b Shoreditch
Edith S Palmer   19    Daughter
Fanny J Palmer    16    Daughter  Pupil teacher b Shoreditch
Gertrude A Palmer   14    Daughter
Sarah Pateman   78    Mother-in-law
John Sykes         70    Visitor
Maud M Berry     14    Servant
Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 15 June 22 21:07 BST (UK)
Or maybe not

Charles Frederick the journalist author and brother to a Fanny J appears to marry Annie Susan Smith in 1894 and is with her in 1901 and 1911
Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 15 June 22 21:12 BST (UK)
try again

1901 - wareham St Lambeth. All born Lambeth    

Charles Palmer    24 Hammerman, shoeing forge [but says he's a painter on the children's baptisms!]
Elizabeth Palmer    26
Frederick Palmer    3
John Palmer    2
Rose Palmer    1 month

RG13; 421; 21;  34
Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: godfreychas on Wednesday 15 June 22 22:39 BST (UK)
Mabel

Thanks for the information.  This is going to be very useful.  Many thanks.
Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: amondg on Thursday 16 June 22 05:56 BST (UK)
Children from GRO mother's maiden name Dowley

Frederick Charles 1897 Wandsworth
John William 1898 Wandsworth
Frances Ellen 1900 Wandsworth Died 1900 reg. Wandsworth
Rosina 1901 Lambeth
Edith 1906 Southwark possible death 1907 Southwark age 0


Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: amondg on Thursday 16 June 22 06:39 BST (UK)
It appears wife Elizabeth Ellen nee Dowley died before 1909. and the younger children given to relatives to raise, hence Rosina with the Cooper family.

1911 the son John age 12 is with George Stephen Bungay and his wife Anna Jane born Battersea.

He was baptized 8 September 1898 at St Stephen Battersea son of Charles Frederick Palmer - labourer and Elizabeth Ellen. Address 27 Abercrombie Street.

1911 Bromley Kent
Charles Palmer 33 Painter born Lambeth
May Palmer 25 wife born Bromley Kent
Fred Palmer 13 Battersea (from 1st marriage)
Lillian Palmer  6 born Bromley Kent  (reg.as Elizabeth Lilian Eldridge Holder 1904 Bromley Kent, illeg)
Norah Palmer 2 born Bromley Kent (reg as Norah Eileen May Palmer 1909)
Edward Holder 64 wid. father in law born Sussex
Rosa Holder 34 sister in law single born Kent
Ernest Holder 22 married brother in law
Nellie Holder 20 Married sister in law.

Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: amondg on Thursday 16 June 22 06:46 BST (UK)
George Stephen Bungay 22 married Annie Palmer age 18 on  24 March 1890 St James the Apostle Lambeth
His father Theodore - Painter
Her father William - Book binder

So Annie is another sister to Charles Frederick and Fannie Jane.

Note witnesses were Alfred Washbrook and Emma Washbrook nee Cooper
Title: Re: Rosina Palmer born ant 1900 London
Post by: godfreychas on Thursday 16 June 22 07:23 BST (UK)
This is wonderful information.  Thank you so much for your help.