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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: aghadowey on Friday 24 June 22 22:44 BST (UK)
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Have been searching Irish civil records but unable to find the following marriage-
Arthur McMurrough (usual spelling in Belfast although can also be McMorrough, etc.) married Matilda Tierney. Both were Catholic and oldest known child born 8 Aug.1887 in Belfast (10 others from 1887 until 1901 also born in Belfast). Arthur died in 1922 and widow Matilda in 1929. I have details of the family from Aug.1887 onwards so I do NOT need details of the children and their families.
Both 1901 and 1911 give Arthur born Co. Monaghan (c1857) and wife Matilda born Co. Tyrone (c1865).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Falls/Grosvenor_Place/951372/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls__Belfast_/Grosvenor_Place/180954/ (MacMurrough)
It seems the family are buried Milltown Cemetery and in Belfast their local church might have been St. Paul's R.C. Church (parish registers not available here- https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1127)
Would like to get back at least one more generation on McMurroughs, if possible, and hoping marriage would list Arthur's father. Do not know where Arthur & Matilda met or married. Appreciate any help in finding Arthur's marriage and his family.
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Don't know if you have this but perhaps Matilda's baptism?
20 Aug 1865 - parents John Tierney and Joanna Starrs residence Aughadullagh
https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632852#page/1/mode/1up
cant seem to find a civil record :-\
Can understand why you would atleast want the marriage to confirm father's names though, would make everything alot easier.
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Many thanks for that baptism (and searching)- with that new information I was now able to to find Matilda's birth registration- REBECCA!
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03563/2312321.pdf
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Well thats a far cry from Matilda! ;D
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Aghadowey, I did come across this although not for Matilda-Rebecca.
Catholic Church of St Peter's, Lurgan
18 August 1882
Arthur Morrough age:30, single, occ: weaver, residence: Ballynamoney, father: Arthur Morrough (dead), labourer
Eliza McLoughlan age:22, single, residence: Lurgan, father: William McLoughlan (dead), weaver
Witnesses: John Morrough & Anna Maria McLoughlan
Could this be your Arthur? Kim
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Catholic Church of St Peter's, Lurgan
18 August 1882
Here's the link for others to view-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10974/8011603.pdf
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On one of the papers sent from Scotland for verification of details in the 1841/1851 Census for a Patrick McMurrough b 1847 c/- Francis McMurrough in Glasgow someone has written McMurrer.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rop/
On this the applicant Patrick's parents are given as John & Catherine McMurrough with Corley written under the McMurrough name from
Co Monaghan
Trough
Donagh
Other names noted are
John
own? Does this mean Patrick the applicant?
Frank
Mary
Ann
Somewhere, though I did not save where I see McMurrough written as McMurray?
ETA
Although we won't search for the details of the children, as you have these, it may be useful to have them listed in birth order so we can see the names just in case they did use the irish naming patterns.
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Believe it or not I start to search for this family again last night!
Thanks, Kim. The 1882 marriage for Arthur McMurrough & Eliza McLoughlan is unlikely to be the same Arthur McMurrough as I now think his father was John & I did come across other McMurroughs in Armagh but will certainly make a note of it as you never know.
I had collected lots of McMurroughs from Monaghan and was fairly sure that Arthur was from Glaslough and his parents John and Catherine (nee Sherlock) so that pension application looks very interesting.
The surname is earlier more often recorded as McMurrer but also McMurrin, McMurrier ... I think I found once as McMurray.
Arthur McMurrough & Matilda Tierney had 10 children, all born Belfast, from what I've found- John (1887- named for both grandfathers if I'm correct), Arthur Henry (1889), William Leo (c1892), Kathleen (1894- after Arthur's mother?), Margaret (1896), Josephine (1897), twins Thomas & Hubert (1898), Michael (1900), Edward (1901).
1911 census says married 24 years, 7 children/7 living. I think they didn't understand the question & just counted their living children. 24 years takes marriage c1887 or so.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls__Belfast_/Grosvenor_Place/180954/
After collecting Glaslough McMurrers it looked like Arthur's parents were John McMurrer & Catherine Sherlock. Last night (with the help of a 3 month subscription to Ancestry) I found several family trees and one, with reliable details, also gave them as Arthur's parents.
John McMurrough (c1818-17 Jan.1900 Glaslough), butcher, m. Catherine Sherlock (c1836-1 Nov.1891 Glaslough). Children: ?Arthur (c1858), Thomas (c1859), John (c1861), Mary Ann (1864), Francis (1866), Catherine (1868), twins Margaret & Mary Ann (1871), Joseph (1873), Henry (1876).
Many thanks to everyone. Off to do some more searching ...
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Let us know immediately :) if you want/need any help......so grateful to be of some use to you after all the help you have been to others.
So that was interesting to me that the older version of the name was McMurrer.
ETA We are still to find the wedding Tierney/Mcmurrough or did that come to light on Ancestry?
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Aghadowey, not to throw a spanner in the works but I came across this.
Marriage:
Matilda Tierney
July- Sept 1881 Omagh
James McKevitt
Could she have married before she married Arthur? Maybe her last name at time of marriage was different than Tierney.
This Matilda seems to have been born 12 Sept 1859 in Omagh,Tyrone to Francis & Margaret Flanagan. Kim
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From reply #7-
John McMurrough (c1818-17 Jan.1900 Glaslough), butcher, m. Catherine Sherlock (c1836-1 Nov.1891 Glaslough). Children: ?Arthur (c1858), Thomas (c1859), John (c1861), Mary Ann (1864), Francis (1866), Catherine (1868), twins Margaret & Mary Ann (1871), Joseph (1873), Henry (1876).
Yesterday I found another son- Patrick.
Greeneyedgirl-
Here's that McKevitt/Tierney marriage from civil registrations-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11009/8025367.pdf
I think the Matilda/Rebecca found earlier is the correct one but will keep a note of this one.
They had a son Patrick born 1884-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02702/1995126.pdf
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Believe it or not I start to search for this family again last night!
Thanks, Kim. The 1882 marriage for Arthur McMurrough & Eliza McLoughlan is unlikely to be the same Arthur McMurrough as I now think his father was John & I did come across other McMurroughs in Armagh but will certainly make a note of it as you never know.
I had collected lots of McMurroughs from Monaghan and was fairly sure that Arthur was from Glaslough and his parents John and Catherine (nee Sherlock) so that pension application looks very interesting.
The surname is earlier more often recorded as McMurrer but also McMurrin, McMurrier ... I think I found once as McMurray.
Arthur McMurrough & Matilda Tierney had 10 children, all born Belfast, from what I've found- John (1887- named for both grandfathers if I'm correct), Arthur Henry (1889), William Leo (c1892), Kathleen (1894- after Arthur's mother?), Margaret (1896), Josephine (1897), twins Thomas & Hubert (1898), Michael (1900), Edward (1901).
1911 census says married 24 years, 7 children/7 living. I think they didn't understand the question & just counted their living children. 24 years takes marriage c1887 or so.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls__Belfast_/Grosvenor_Place/180954/
After collecting Glaslough McMurrers it looked like Arthur's parents were John McMurrer & Catherine Sherlock. Last night (with the help of a 3 month subscription to Ancestry) I found several family trees and one, with reliable details, also gave them as Arthur's parents.
John McMurrough (c1818-17 Jan.1900 Glaslough), butcher, m. Catherine Sherlock (c1836-1 Nov.1891 Glaslough). Children: ?Arthur (c1858), Thomas (c1859), John (c1861), Mary Ann (1864), Francis (1866), Catherine (1868), twins Margaret & Mary Ann (1871), Joseph (1873), Henry (1876).
Many thanks to everyone. Off to do some more searching ...
Hello Aghadowey, Arthur McMurrough was my great grandfather and son Michael(1900) my grandfather. If you have any information on Catherine Sherlock or Joanna Starrs I would be grateful to receive it also from earlier parents. I've added an attachment from 22 may 1922 concerningMichael's elder brother Arthur. By the way are we related via the McMurroughs?