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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: tancor2 on Monday 27 June 22 16:14 BST (UK)
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My great uncle William Horace Searls married a Elsie L Young in 1950 in Wandsworth, i have been trying to find the names of Elsie's parents, she could have born about 1912/13 the family think she could have born in Poplar, but this we are not sure of,can any one help with this quest.
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Have you the marriage certificate which should name her father?
Witness names can also be helpful.
Have you looked for her birth on the Free BMD index? You can search England/Wales using name, location, birth year :)
There was an Elsie L V Young born in Poplar in 1912.
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Are you sure that she was not previously married :-\
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I see she was in Kent in the 1950's, Was she still alive when William died.
1939 has birth year as 1906
Is this her
Death
SEARLS, ELSIE LILIAN bn 1906
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2006 in WIGAN & LEIGH (0181D) Reg D26B Entry Number 136
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Marriage Sep qtr 1930
Slade Elsie L (Young)
Young Evelyn F (Slade)
Sevenoaks 2a 2657
Death Dec qtr 1939
Young Evelyn F age 40
Cranbrook 2a 2398
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Possibly
Birth Dec qtr 1906
Slade Elsie Lilian
Sevenoaks 2a 777
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Possible son 1932, he would tie in with one of the persons living in Wigan with Elsie prior to her death
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1911
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:XWD2-1JT
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No i do not have a marriage certificate.
Elsie died in 1958 in willesden and William died in 1989 these facts i know from my late Grandmother who was William's sister. It is just her correct birth and parents i cannot find
I have looked on FREEBMD and could only find Elsie L V on checking her out she is not the same Elsie
They did not have any children
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Could you please give the reference on GRO index for Elsies death
ADDED. Do you have Williams will. Where was he buried
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Just adding to the details for Elsie Lilian Slade /Young /Searls
In 1921 she is in Toxteth Park, Lancashire with a Frances Jane Pendleton bn 1867 Reading.
I can't see the death that you mention in 1958 :-\
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I do not have Williams will, and as for Elsie's death i just have date given to me by my grandmother,
the information about the Lancashire connections are not connected as they lived in the London area all their lives.
All i was trying to find out was her actual birth and her parents,you are totally on the wrong family with Elsie Lilian Slade.
My Grandmother said they never had children because when they married in 1950 they were both in their thirties and they felt it was to late in life to start a family.
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Death
Elsie L Searle 45
Oct 1958 Willesden
Burial
Elsie Lilian Searle
27th Oct 1958 Harrow
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Possibles on electoral registers?
1956, Poplar
266 Manchester Road, Cubitt Town
Elsie Lilian Searls
William Horace Searls
Still there on 1958 ER, gone 1959.
1964, 1965
10 Northfield Avenue, Orpington
Elsie L. Searls (juror)
William H. Searls
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Re that Willesden death mentioned by William.
Elsie Lilian Searle died Central Middlesex Hospital, 22 Oct 1958, was a spinster according to her entry on the probate calendar.
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It may be an idea to get Williams will in case there are any clues about her on there. Alternatively his death certificate may mention his marital status
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I know my late uncle was doing the family tree, many years ago, so maybe found the death for
elsie lilian Searls and took it to be his aunt wife of his Uncle William and as he was living with his mother at that time, he may have told her this and that was why she believed she died in 1958, as both are now dead cannot ask them.
The address266 Manchester rd Cubitt town was the area that Williams parents lived they lived at
378 Manchester Rd.
Will now start a fresh search for Elsie's death around Orpington, as she was living there in 1964/65
thank you to all who have helped.
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You have already been given her death details.
Death
SEARLS, ELSIE LILIAN bn 1906
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2006 in WIGAN & LEIGH (0181D) Reg D26B Entry Number 136
The date of birth on that death registration is 1 Sep 1906 which is the same date of birth given in the 1939 register where she is noted as having a later surname of SEARLS. The surname change is dated 1950.
Debra :)
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This not the correct person my Elsie never lived in lancashire as i said in previous posting
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Have you looked at the entry on the 1939 register for the Elsie L Young whose surname was later amended to Searls.
Maybe it would worth getting the marriage certificate for William and Elsie, it should name her father.
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Marriage Sep qtr 1930
Slade Elsie L (Young)
Young Evelyn F (Slade)
Sevenoaks 2a 2657
Death Dec qtr 1939
Young Evelyn F age 40
Cranbrook 2a 2398
In case it is later relevant there is an obituary for Evelyn lisiting several family members in Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser 20 October 1939. It also appears in Kent & Sussex Courier 20 October 1939
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This not the correct person my Elsie never lived in lancashire as i said in previous posting
Maybe she was just staying with her son by the previous marriage in her later years. :-\
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Rosie
Would it be possible to send me a link for the newspaper articles.
And i do not have 1939 register.
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The newspaper articles are available on the British newspaper archive website, it is possible to get copies of I believe 3 items on a trial sub. They are also available through FindMyPast. She is referred to as Mrs Furness Young, her husband Evelyn was Evelyn Furness Young.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rnr/
The 1939 register shows her as married - born in 1906, full date as already mentioned. The full date of birth ties in with that on the Lancashire death. The entry has the husband we have already mentioned and 2 blacked out entries which would indicate people still living, I suspect that the first is possibly a son born 1932 Ticehurst reg district who she is with on electoral registers in Lancashire shortly before she dies. The son also had the second name F.... and he died in Lancashire in 2011
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Rosie
Would it be possible to send me a link for the newspaper articles.
And i do not have 1939 register.
I use my local library for Ancestry access.
And my local Archives/Museum for FindMyPast access.
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Will go to my local library next time i go into my local town shopping, and look up 1939 register. and i will look for the newspaper articles.
It would be a lot easier if someone from that generation of the family was still alive,and you could ask the questions that you want answers too.
thanks Rosie and KGarrad for telling me where i might find some info
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in 1930 a Elsie Lilian Slade married a Evelyn Furness Young they married 30 July 1930
Evelyn was 31 and Elsie 24 Evelyn was a Caterer at Sion Lodge residence Broad Oak Brede Sussex
Elsie lived at 2 Rose Cottages Kemsing
Evelyns father was George Young Farmer Deceased
Elsies father was Frederick Slade Gasworker deceased
witnesses were William George Slade and Wilfred Stanley Young
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Dec 1897
Frederick Slade married a Frances Elizabeth Akehurst Sevenoaks Kent 2a 1291
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I am beginning to wonder now if William was Elsie's second husband, Evelyn Furness Young was her first Husband and that is why i have struggled to find her birth in Poplar.
Thanks
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SLADE, ELSIE LILIAN AKEHURST
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in SEVENOAKS Volume 02A Page 777
this is birth on the general Register Office
as b you have is 1st Sep 1906 that would fit if they registered it at beginning of quarter
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That birth has been suggested in post 5 :)
I am beginning to wonder now if William was Elsie's second husband, Evelyn Furness Young was her first Husband and that is why i have struggled to find her birth in Poplar.
Thanks
That is what I suspect may have happened, the information I have posted previously would back that up. The marriage to your William may solve that.
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sorry Rosie should have given you credit for info helped me find those bits Sandie
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Can get Elsie's will for just £1.50
Elsie Lilian Searls, died 7 January 2006
Probate 28 February 2006
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/
Who she was living with
Birth
YOUNG, PETER FURNESS
Mother's Maiden Surname: SLADE
GRO Reference: 1932 J Quarter in TICEHURST Volume 02B Page 148
Death
YOUNG, PETER FURNESS
Year of Birth: 1932
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2011 in WIGAN AND LEIGH (018-1B) Entry Number 505505805
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Will go to my local library next time i go into my local town shopping, and look up 1939 register. and i will look for the newspaper articles.
You may need your library to have access to BNA (and then you will still need to log in to it as a registered user), because even if they have findmypast, it may not include access to the newspapers on there.
As Rosie said, just register with BNA, no financial details needed at all, and you get three articles for free :)
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/account/register
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Thanks jonw65
will try the three articles on BNA see if they help.
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The 1930 wedding
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Thanks Comberton for the newspaper cuttings.
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When you try the BNA, there are two reports of the wedding in 1930 and of the funeral in 1939 and they are the same as each other so don't waste a free go.
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Thanks
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Rosie i have just clicked on the 1911 link you sent me on Monday, on clicking Elsie in a tree it shows her married to a George Elkington, it as her parents the same as Elsie who married Evelyn Furness Young so i feel a mistake as been made by the person who put this tree together , and they have got 2 Elsie's mixed up.
I gave up with ancestry because somebody took information from my tree and put it in there tree just because the surname was the same, i asked the person to remove and she would not,so i asked ancestry to contact her to remove this information they said they could not force her to remove said information, so i deleted my tree and never renewed with ancestry,that is why mistakes are made in peoples trees because of taking wrong information just because the names are the same or similar
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The 1911 is correct just someone presumed this is Elsie who married george Elkington
The marriage I put up for Elsie and Evelyn is an actual certificate
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I am not saying the marriage you put up is wrong, i am just saying the person that put this tree on must have mixed up 2 Elsie Lillian Slade's, i have sent a message through family search to someone connected to this tree to point out they have got the wrong parents for there Elsie.
The Elsie in their tree was born in West Ham in 1908 so not the same Elsie that was born in 1906 in Seal in Kent
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its okay I did realise what you had meant, gets very confusing when so many people have same names and nearly same birth have a few in mine, you just have to have some little thing that connects
How do you feel about info you have so far can you put it together yet?
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sorry Rosie should have given you credit for info helped me find those bits Sandie
Sorry Sandie, just spotted your reply. I was worried that tancor2 would think it was another Elsie Slade, I was not after any credit from you :).
It will certainly be nice to know if we have found the right Elsie ;D
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Sorry Sandie, just spotted your reply. I was worried that tancor2 would think it was another Elsie Slade, I was not after any credit from you :).
It will certainly be nice to know if we have found the right Elsie ;D
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yes hopefully , seems right to me but its tancor 2 that needs to be sure ;D
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Yes i think that Elsie born 1906 is going to be the answer to my query i was just pointing out that this person on Family search had someone of the same name but born later in 1908 in West ham had put the parents of Elsie 1906 in as parents for Elsie 1908.
I always thought that the searles family and wives always lived around the Poplar area, that is why i thought when Wigan & Leigh Lancashire came up i thought that this could not be her, and having no one in the family to ask but as the evidence has come through the help of you all i now believe that Elsie born in Seal, that William was her second husband.
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I have just received a message back from the person who put the tree on Family search to thank me for pointing out the wrong parents for his Elsie Slade, and he will correct the information in is tree to correct parentage.
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That's nice someone who listened
Glad you seem sorted
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I have just received a message back from the person who put the tree on Family search to thank me for pointing out the wrong parents for his Elsie Slade, and he will correct the information in is tree to correct parentage.
That is a good result, it is not often that happens ;D