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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: Pheno on Monday 25 July 22 18:34 BST (UK)
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What does anybody think about having this jab, to be offered to over 50's and vulnerable, in September.
The problem is that it is the same old vaccine against the original Omicron variant that we have all already had. That variant isn't circulating any more and there is no vaccine against the new variants yet.
Would you be able to have the orig vaccine in September, and supposing there was a new one developed against the latest variants rapidly developed, that vaccine not too long after - or would one preclude the other.
Probably I would rather waIt for something new and current and not scupper my chances by having the orig again.
Any thoughts/rationalisations.
Pheno
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Take advice from those who know what they are dong.
Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) updated statement on the Covid-19 vaccination programme for autumn 2022 (published 15th July 2022)
Section headed "Future variants and vaccines"
"Advice regarding which vaccines to use .... will be provided in due course.
Rapid vaccine response measures may be required ... including any new variant of concern."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/
Influenza strains change and vaccines for it are tweaked as necessary.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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Biden had four jags and still caught Covid. Three jags in this country haven't prevented substantial numbers from catching it. Can't see any point in yet another injection of something that seems to be remarkably ineffective.
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I'd had two vaccinations when I caught Covid last summer. I'd say it was remarkably effective at keeping me out of hospital. Or being dead.
It's a vaccination, not an immunisation.
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"Biden had four jags and still caught Covid."
True, but the main benefit of the vaccines is to reduce the severity of the disease if you do become infected. I got my fourth shot about a month ago. It's free, easy and well organized in Ecuador.
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Conveniently overlooking the point that even if using an "original" vaccine, it still boosts the immune response.
I intend to follow guidance and take whatever is offered.
Pauline
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No Pauline, that was precisely my point.
It boosts the immune system response to what - Omicron original which is no longer circulating.
Is there any evidence to show that it is effective against the latest couple of variants?
Pheno
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Conveniently overlooking the point that even if using an "original" vaccine, it still boosts the immune response.
I intend to follow guidance and take whatever is offered.
Pauline
I totally agree. I've had all 4 jabs now (at the recommended times) but I am still careful and try to avoid crowded indoor areas as I have some health issues. So far, I've avoided the dreaded virus.
Also, I'm sure I read that the vaccine has been is being tweaked. As Roobarb has said 'It's a vaccination, not an immunization'
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Conveniently overlooking the point that even if using an "original" vaccine, it still boosts the immune response.
I intend to follow guidance and take whatever is offered.
I totally agree. I've had all 4 jabs now (at the recommended times) but I am still careful and try to avoid crowded indoor areas as I have some health issues. So far, I've avoided the dreaded virus.
Also, I'm sure I read that the vaccine has been is being tweaked. As Roobarb has said 'It's a vaccination, not an immunization'
Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) updated statement on the Covid-19 vaccination programme for autumn 2022 (published 15th July 2022)
Section headed "Future variants and vaccines"
"Advice regarding which vaccines to use .... will be provided in due course.
Rapid vaccine response measures may be required ... including any new variant of concern."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/
I agree with Roobarb, Errato, Pauline and Gadget.
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It boosts the immune system response to what - Omicron original which is no longer circulating.
Is there any evidence to show that it is effective against the latest couple of variants?
(JCVI) updated statement on the Covid-19 vaccination programme for autumn 2022
Section headed "Future variants and vaccines"
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/
More from that section:
"Omnicron sub-lineage variants will most likely continue to circulate in winter 2022-2023, although the emergence of new variants of concern cannot be discounted due to the unpredictability of virus evolution. Studies of variant-specific vaccines are ongoing. Whether variant vaccines will provide greater protection against severe COVID-19 compared to original strain vaccines has not yet been determined and will be influenced by the variant virus that is circulating at the time of vaccination. Advice regarding which vaccines to use .... will be provided in due course.
Rapid vaccine response measures may be required, should there be substantial changes in population immunity against the dominant circulating variant, including any new variant of concern. The maintenance of sufficient surge capability to enable a proportionate response to emergent circumstances is an integral component of the autumn booster programme."
More information can be found at https://www.gov.uk/search/all
Select Coronavirus from All topics list, then Vaccinations from Sub-topics list, then select Updated and filter by entering dates in boxes.
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I agree with Roobarb, Erato, Pauline and Gadget too.
I had symptoms when I had covid recently. I have had jabs and booster and I got these with the hope that if I did get covid (as I have done) I would not end up in hospital or dead.
I wasn't that ill - just a bit of a headache, pressure feeling in eyes and a bit of a cough so I would say the jabs have been effective and worth having for me - things might have been worse.
I do intend to defer to the experts on this and if another booster is offered I will certainly be going for it.
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I agree with Roobarb, Erato, Pauline and Gadget too. ...
Me too. Youngest daughter has had 4 jabs due to being considered clinically extremely vulnerable. She recently felt unwell on a Wednesday and every home test came back negative until the Sunday although she was getting progressively worse each day until then. She happened to be off that week so self-isolated to be on the safe side and didn't go out for 10 days until she got a clear test result. I think she would have been far worse without those jabs.
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I do intend to defer to the experts on this and if another booster is offered I will certainly be going for it.
As will I.
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Not quite sure how there can be experts if nobody has ever been in this situation before.
Pheno
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Um, the experts are infectious disease specialists, virologists and epidemiologists who have long experience with infectious diseases, viruses and epidemics. They are people who know what questions to ask, what evidence to look for, how to look for it, and what it likely means. Sort of like an expert genealogist who is able to provide valuable insights into the Nevitts of Cheshire without ever having confronted that specific situation before.
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I wish there was a 'like' box on Rootschat ,as I would certainly do a 'like' for your comment, Erato.
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Not quite sure how there can be experts if nobody has ever been in this situation before.
COVID-19 experts are those people who have been studying, researching, trialling and working in the field for almost 3 years.
I wouldn't agree that none of those experts has been in this situation before. COVID-19 is SARS-CoV-2. There was an outbreak of SARS-CoV-1 from 2002-2004 and MERS in 2003. Both SARS-CoV-1 and MERS were coronavirus diseases which were new to humans. COVID-19 is a viral zoonosis. Other viral zoonosis diseases include ebola and monkeypox. Immunologists &c learn from and build on knowledge gained from past epidemics.
Errato has explained it succinctly.
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Um, the experts are infectious disease specialists, virologists and epidemiologists who have long experience with infectious diseases, viruses and epidemics. They are people who know what questions to ask, what evidence to look for, how to look for it, and what it likely means. Sort of like an expert genealogist who is able to provide valuable insights into the Nevitts of Cheshire without ever having confronted that specific situation before.
They might never have encountered the Nevitts of Cheshire previously but it is quite likely that they have studied the Nevitts of Staffordshire so have a good working knowledge.
Nobody has enountered Covid 17 or Covid 18 previously so does not have a good working knowledge of Covid 19.
My main query really is not about having a further immunisation per se (have not had any side effects from previous ones) but I don't want to jump forward for a further one of the same old same old, which might prevent the administration of a more appropriate one against the current (and future) variations if only I had waited a few months.
Pheno
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Covid-19 is an abbreviation for coronavirsus disease of 2019, the year of its emergence. There was no covid-17 or covid-18.
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Exactly so all these 'experts' can't have come across it before.
Just very wary of putting them on a pedestal as knowing everything about Covid 19, when it is so new that I don't think anybody can know that. Yes they can extrapolate - but is that good enough.
Pheno
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My main query really is not about having a further immunisation per se (have not had any side effects from previous ones) but I don't want to jump forward for a further one of the same old same old, which might prevent the administration of a more appropriate one against the current (and future) variations if only I had waited a few months.
Pheno
But what if a "more appropriate" vaccine does not emerge in a month or two?
You would then be going into the winter with little protection
Surely a bird in hand is worth two in the bush?
I. like others on here, will take whatever vaccine is offered as soon as I can
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They might never have encountered the Nevitts of Cheshire previously but it is quite likely that they have studied the Nevitts of Staffordshire so have a good working knowledge.
Nobody has enountered Covid 17 or Covid 18 previously so does not have a good working knowledge of Covid 19.
There were no new coronavirus diseases causing epidemics in 2017 or 2018 as far as I know so there was no COVID-17 or COVID-18.
COVID-19, official name SARS-CoV-2, shares 70% of its' genetic makeup with SARS-CoV-1.
Those people who produced the first vaccines against COVID-19 didn't go from a standing start.
Leaps in knowledge have been enormous since January 2020.
Research and studies continue, some involving volunteers.
H1N1 influenza virus has caused 3 pandemics in the past 100 years. There are more than 200 flu viruses. They mutate and change every year. Annual flu vaccines are changed appropriately. H1N1 influenza virus is a zoonotic disease, having crossed over from a bird or animal species to humans.
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Just very wary of putting them on a pedestal as knowing everything about Covid 19, when it is so new that I don't think anybody can know that. Yes they can extrapolate - but is that good enough.
They don't claim to know everything.
Links in my replies #1 and #9 to a virtual library of documents including "COVID-19 vaccines weekly surveillance reports" which is data on the real-world effectiveness and impact of COVID-19 vaccines.
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Whether you get yourself jabbed with a booster now, wait for a possibly better vaccine to be developed or say to hell with it altogether is up to you. I have no expertise in any of the relevant scientific fields but I am less inclined than you to dismiss out-of-hand the guidance of people who do have such knowledge.
Beyond that, I am [perhaps naively] confident that the government of Ecuador will continue to make vaccines available to the people of this country. So far, that has been the case and they have vaccinated me for free even though I am not a citizen but, rather, a resident alien.
Covid is on the upswing again here, as it is around the world. I don't know which variants are currently most prevalent in Ecuador but, for my own protection and the protection of those around me, I think it is my responsibility to keep myself maximally vaccinated. Should an improved vaccine become available here in the future, I will get myself shot again.
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There were no new coronavirus diseases causing epidemics in 2017 or 2018 as far as I know so there was no COVID-17 or COVID-18.
COVID-19, official name SARS-CoV-2, shares 70% of its' genetic makeup with SARS-CoV-1.
Those people who produced the first vaccines against COVID-19 didn't go from a standing start.
Leaps in knowledge have been enormous since January 2020.
Research and studies continue, some involving volunteers.
H1N1 influenza virus has caused 3 pandemics in the past 100 years. There are more than 200 flu viruses. They mutate and change every year. Annual flu vaccines are changed appropriately. H1N1 influenza virus is a zoonotic disease, having crossed over from a bird or animal species to humans.
I know Covid 17/18 didn't exist - I am using a similar kind of example as Erato did re the Nevitts.
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Should an improved vaccine become available here in the future, I will get myself shot again.
That is the crux of the matter Erato. Will am improved vaccine be available to those who have had the most recent top up? I know this is like how long is a piece of string but maybe someone will decide:
You can't have the improved one within 6 months of a previous one or
You can't have the improved one if you had had a previous one
I just don't want to find I've jumped in too quickly and deprived myself of the better one by stepping up to the plate too eagerly for the current one.
That is what my musing was about really and presumably no-one knows the answer but wondered what anybody else was cogitating.
Pheno
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I just don't want to find I've jumped in too quickly and deprived myself of the better one by stepping up to the plate too eagerly for the current one.
That is what my musing was about really and presumably no-one knows the answer but wondered what anybody else was cogitating.
Pheno
And in the meantime you might catch Covid.
No cogitating for me, I'll be there with my sleeve rolled up as soon as it's offered.
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I just don't want to find I've jumped in too quickly and deprived myself of the better one by stepping up to the plate too eagerly for the current one.
That is what my musing was about really and presumably no-one knows the answer but wondered what anybody else was cogitating.
Pheno
And in the meantime you might catch Covid.
No cogitating for me, I'll be there with my sleeve rolled up as soon as it's offered.
Yes thats the other side of the coin Roobarb. Althoough I have stayed covid free up till now without taking any of the extreme actions that some have taken. I have simply been cautious, but don't wear a mask except in a medical setting. I travel on public transport. I have also been to theatres, cinemas and restaurants.
I haven't quarantined any post or shopping, whether fresh or tinned and I have never washed fruit/veg before eating. Think maybe I've managed to maintain a decent immune system during my life and it is standing me in good stead now.
Pheno
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We are not being offered a vaccine again to protect us, but to control the spread and reduce the risk to those who, for whatever reason, do not have a healthy immune system. If we knew more about the immune system we could more effectively identity those at risk.
So I shall have my jab again, not because I want it, I really don’t, it may have long term consequences as yet unknown, but because I am indirectly protecting my, and other peoples children and grandchildren and keeping the pressure off the NHS.
Mike
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Good point mazi, however I am beginning to feel that only those over 60 or the vulnerable are wanting to reduce the spread and the associated risk. I also think that those who have had it, possibly only mildly, but who have come through it are fairly laissez-faire about contracting it again.
Am not sure I am any longer desperate to protect other people's children/grandchildren when I don't really feel that most of them have any interest in protecting me. Each protect their own by all means but everybody else?
Pheno
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Am not sure I am any longer desperate to protect other people's children/grandchildren when I don't really feel that most of them have any interest in protecting me. Each protect their own by all means but everybody else?
Pheno
That’s ok by me, I can think of quite a few people I would rather not protect, but we are all in this mess together, not of our choosing nor that of our government but the best way out I can see at this moment is for us all to do our bit, although there are greater threats to humanity than covid at this moment.
At the age of 82 I am past caring :) :)
Mike
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I also think that those who have had it, possibly only mildly, but who have come through it are fairly laissez-faire about contracting it again.
Pheno
I had it rather more seriously and I certainly don't want it again. That's quite aside from some of the long lasting effects that I'm sure no-one would want.
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I’ll also be there with my sleeve rolled up and my arm at the ready. I was/am one of the “extremely vulnerable” and spent months isolated. It was horrible and so I’ll have anything on offer to protect myself and others.
Last autumn in a very short space of time I had 3 jabs, shingles, flu and Covid. Then earlier this year my 4th Covid jab. I’m happy to have whatever is on offer be it to protect me or to protect others.
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Not sure if this has ben mentioned but it does look promising :)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/27/uk-scientists-take-promising-step-towards-single-covid-and-cold-vaccine
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Yes, very interesting, thanks Gadget. :)
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Not been offered 4th jab or an appointment for September booster yet
I've not had COVID yet .my sister has had it twice .
I'm concerned that I may have a good immune system but wouldn't want to carry it and spread it to others .
What advice and consensus is given in care homes
I do think the elder generation here are the Guinea pigs and when it does cometomy turn I'm likely to get a better researched more sophisticated option
Meanwhile I caught a cold due to the changing temperature and remembered that I rarely catch colds from other people and can safely walk thru rooms of snivllers and sneezers but if I get cold especially with wet hair..a cold will ensue.
Pheno have you decided what to do yet ?
I will take what I'm.moffefefdd
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Not been offered 4th jab or an appointment for September booster yet
I've not had COVID yet .my sister has had it twice .
I'm concerned that I may have a good immune system but wouldn't want to carry it and spread it to others .
What advice and consensus is given in care homes
I do think the elder generation here are the Guinea pigs and when it does cometomy turn I'm likely to get a better researched more sophisticated option
Meanwhile I caught a cold due to the changing temperature and remembered that I rarely catch colds from other people and can safely walk thru rooms of snivllers and sneezers but if I get cold especially with wet hair..a cold will ensue.
Pheno have you decided what to do yet ?
I will take what I'm.moffefefdd
It does not make any difference whether you have the Jab or you do not have the Jab, you will still be able to catch covid and pass it on. The jab simply reduces the effect covid has on you, it does not prevent it.
Cheers
Guy
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We've just been invited to attend our GP's surgery for flu jabs on October 1st. We are also told that we can have the Covid jab at the same time "if stocks are available". We'll go, of course, but do wonder if it's wise to have both injections at the same time. Might there be reactions? :-\ I suppose they wouldn't be offering both if they didn't think it was safe to do so.
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Trouble is that we all react differently, I had a very bad reaction to the first Covid jab (AZ) and a bad reaction to the third (Pfizer) which they wanted to give me along with a flu jab that I refused. I certainly won't be combining a flu jab with another different Covid jab and would much rather not have either.
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A notice appeared tw0 days ago on our GP practice website saying that we will be invited for flu and boosters (together) in September. They're usually super efficient with the flu jabs so I'm not expecting any problems.
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Our surgery reckons 3 minutes per person for jabs. It's always very well organised, with people encouraged to roll up their sleeves as soon as they arrive so that there's no delay.
It's one of the few times you actually see a doctor face to face in these days of virtual consultations. My husband had a rash on his foot, phoned the surgery and was asked to take a photo of it and send it for inspection!
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I had my first flu jab last year and was given a Covid jab at the same time. That was ok but the booster jab being a different type to my previous 2 (Pfizer as opposed to AZ) knocked me for six the next day. Despite not relishing that experience again I would still have another one if offered.
As others have said I don't think it would be wise to forgo this one and wait for a better one to come along. You might catch it in the meantime and risk having a worse experience with it but each to his or her own.
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I see now though that the covid jab has been modified to immunise against both the original strain and the latest omicron variant, although not enough jabs yet to go around all the sugggested vulnerable groups.
Pheno
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Last year we had our flu jabs on the 11th Sept so hope it will be around then.
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We've just been invited to attend our GP's surgery for flu jabs on October 1st. We are also told that we can have the Covid jab at the same time "if stocks are available". We'll go, of course, but do wonder if it's wise to have both injections at the same time. Might there be reactions? :-\ I suppose they wouldn't be offering both if they didn't think it was safe to do so.
It's how autumn boosters were done last year.
I have to have them on separate occasions because I can have injections only in 1 arm.
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We've just been invited to attend our GP's surgery for flu jabs on October 1st. We are also told that we can have the Covid jab at the same time "if stocks are available". We'll go, of course, but do wonder if it's wise to have both injections at the same time. Might there be reactions? :-\ I suppose they wouldn't be offering both if they didn't think it was safe to do so.
It's how autumn boosters were done last year.
I have to have them on separate occasions because I can have injections only in 1 arm.
You can have them in the same arm at the same time as long as they’re an inch or so apart
Jo
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I thought the same, Jo.
Incidentally. We didn't have our boosters with our flu jabs last year. We were phoned/texted and invited to arrange a suitable time at a separately organised GP hub. I think each area had different arrangements.
Newcastle City Council also organised vaccine centres independent of GP groupings.
All was extremely efficient.
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I see now though that the covid jab has been modified to immunise against both the original strain and the latest omicron variant, although not enough jabs yet to go around all the sugggested vulnerable groups.
Pheno
It's a vaccination, not an immunisation. Unfortunately it doesn't make us immune.
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My autumn booster 2021 was at a local mass vaccination centre, although not the sports hall which was the venue for my original jabs.
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Roobarb, surely the point of a vaccine is immunisation?
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From what I understand the term immunisation means that it prevents you from getting the disease whereas vaccination stimulates the immune system to fight the disease. In the case of Covid the latter applies, you can still catch it but the vaccination lessens the effects.
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https://www.starhealth.in/blog/difference-between-immunisation-and-vaccination
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Thank you Youngtug; interesting website from India. So vaccination is a procedure and immunisation should be the result.
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From what I understand the term immunisation means that it prevents you from getting the disease whereas vaccination stimulates the immune system to fight the disease. In the case of Covid the latter applies, you can still catch it but the vaccination lessens the effects.
Vaccination is the method of delivery, i.e by injection but tests are being carried out on pills that could be swallowed and "autoinject" in the stomach (gastric autoinjectors).
The covid vaccine does not prevent a vaccinated person catching or indeed passing on covid but it does lessen the effect and symptoms of covid. For instance it will in most cases prevent the need of hospitalisation of an infected person.
Immunisation is a means to make your body think you have been infected by a disease, (often by injecting a dead or weakened microbe into your body (an antigen)) this stimulates your body to produce antibodies which destroy the antigen. If you are infected again your body now has the antibody to fight that infection and can quickly reproduce more of the same antibody to destroy the desease.
Cheers
Guy
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May be co-incidence, but last year I was persuaded to have shingles shot, and something about pneumonia, and the booster, and my first ever 'Flu shot very close together.
Really unwell after 'Flu shot. Hope I never have to suffer another one.
TY
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I seem to recall that the flu vaccination last year was designed to tackle two different strains rather than just one as is usually the case. I think I felt a bit rough after that one, never have done previously.
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I seem to recall that the flu vaccination last year was designed to tackle two different strains rather than just one as is usually the case. I think I felt a bit rough after that one, never have done previously.
It has been my understanding that the flu vax is always designed to fight the 3 or 4 strains which research has projected are most likely to reach Uk in a big way.
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Looks like I got that wrong then. :)
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Looks like I got that wrong then. :)
Not necessarily Roobarb... I am not an expert....no doubt someone with greater knowledge will hop in.....
(But that is what I was told when I was receiving them as NHS back room staff.)
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What does anybody think about having this jab, to be offered to over 50's and vulnerable, in September.
Any thoughts.
A thought. It's from September not "in September". I got my booster in November 2021. It may be November this year. A friend who is over 80 had her first booster in September 2021.
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I have never reacted to a flu shot, but felt quite unwell after the shingles jab. Also reacted quite badly to my second shot and two boosters for Covid (Pfizer and possibly one Moderna) but felt normal after the first one, Astra Zeneca. I think it is difficult to predict how different people will react. O H hardly reacted at all to his four Covid shots.
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I've just had my 5th jab! It was the latest Moderna dual one.
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I, too, have had my 5th jab - Moderna.
I've been offered the flu jab, but have declined. I've only ever had flu once, and never had a flu jab. The last time I had a cold was back in 2013 as I arrived in South Africa for a holiday. My friend took me to the local pharmacy and after discussions on my medication, echinacea was recommended. The cold disappeared in less than 2 days, and ever since then I have taken echinacea regularly during the winter months. It works for me, but has no effect at all on OH - but then everyone is different.
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Hello Gadget, hope Ur well, getting the Flu & Covid jags a week on Friday! ;D
Skoosh.
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I get my covid booster next Wednesday, not heard about the Flu jab yet
Cheers
Guy
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While I was waiting for the jab/jag, I had a text from my GP Practice to ask me to phone to make appointment for the flu jab!
PS - my arm is more sore/achy this time but I was warned by one of the attendants - not enough to take paracetamol though.
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Yes I got a message yesterday, it makes me wonder if our doctors are being informend when we have made an appointment for our covid jab
Cheers
Guy
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We had text messages earlier this week from NHS inviting us to go to a nearby walk-in Covid vaccination centre. Since our GP's had invited us to attend their Flu clinic, but had said that we might also be able to get the Covid jab at the same time "if stocks last", we thought we'd play safe and get the Covid jab straight away. The centre also serves the nearby city, so it was pretty busy, both with those who had an actual timed appointment and those who, like us, had just walked in. There were separate queues and also a queue for disabled people, but the whole system was very efficient and we spent about half an hour waiting, so not bad at all. Our flu jab appointment isn't till October 1st, so plenty of time between the two.
Neither of us had any reaction to the jab. The doctor/nurse who gave it was so efficient that we didn't even feel the "sharp scratch" of the needle going in.
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Good morning,
I just received a text saying I was eligible for the flu jab, ignored that as i've never had one and only had flu once in 72 years.
Two days later got a text inviting me to have my covid booster, that's now booked for 5th oct.
If I remember correctly, all vaccinations are given by injection bar two. One used to be given cutaneously, the little prickly pad that was dabbed just into the skin for MMR?
The other of course you will all remember, the sugar cube doctored with drops of polio vaccine. I used to administer these as a regtl medic back in the 70s. But for the polio one we dispensed with the sugar cube and just put the drops straight on the tongue. We had a few blokes who couldn't/wouldn't keep their tongues out. We used to keep a 100ml syringe full of water with a 5in stainless steel spinal tap on it. For those who gave us problems we uncovered it and said "drop your trousers and bend over". Surprisingly they stuck their tongues out.
John915
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Yes I got a message yesterday, it makes me wonder if our doctors are being informend when we have made an appointment for our covid jab
I suspect it might vary from one place to another. I had a call from the GP a few days ago inviting me to go for a flu jab, but I turned it down as I've already booked one at a pharmacy. I'm at that awkward age where I qualify for a flu jab, but not quite yet for the Covid booster (I checked on the NHS booking site), so in my case at least the flu jab invite had nothing to do with the Covid one.
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I was at our surgery a week ago and asked re the seasonal jabs.
I was told it would be soon but that if we wanted we could go to a pharmacy for the flu jab- ‘the surgery just wouldn’t get the money’.
We then received NHS texts and emails re the Covid booster so booked that locally. There were plenty of appointments to choose from and no queue when we got there.
I must say, this latest one was the most uncomfortable reaction with pain and stiffness in my arm, plus headache and general malaise. However it only lasted 24 hours and am fine now :)
Five vaccinations in less than two years seems a lot though. :-\
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My blue envelope with COVID booster appointment arrived yesterday, 2 months earlier than I expected. Appointment is for 2nd week in October at a mass vaccination centre. The letter informed me that I can also have a flu booster at the same time, if I wish. I'm in Scotland.
I just received a text saying I was eligible for the flu jab, ignored that as i've never had one and only had flu once in 72 years.
A few things to consider regarding flu vaccination.
The "herd immunity" to influenza may have diminished during the past 3 years when most of the population were hardly exposed to the 'flu virus because of limited social interaction and extra hygiene.
You own natural immunity may have diminished.
We may be due a more virulent or more infectious 'flu strain.
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Our doctors told me that covid jabs would be in October … but I was able to book our flu jabs for 1st wk in October.
I went onto the NHS web site and I’ve booked our covid jabs for next week at a local medical centre… the following day I had a text and email inviting me for the covid jab!
So we will be covered for both by early October…
Caroline
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What does anybody think about having this jab, to be offered to over 50's and vulnerable, in September.
The problem is that it is the same old vaccine against the original Omicron variant that we have all already had. That variant isn't circulating any more and there is no vaccine against the new variants yet.
Would you be able to have the orig vaccine in September, and supposing there was a new one developed against the latest variants rapidly developed, that vaccine not too long after - or would one preclude the other.
Probably I would rather waIt for something new and current and not scupper my chances by having the orig again.
Any thoughts/rationalisations.
Pheno
Hubby and I had our boosters yesterday. We were told it was effective against both the currently circulating variants of Omicron, that it was a bivalent vaccine.
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Thats good to hear Lisa.
Ironically I booked my covid booster and then within 2 days of booking actually got covid, having avoided it up till now. I have had to cancel the appointment and need to wait 28 days before organising another one.
Pheno
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Thats good to hear Lisa.
Ironically I booked my covid booster and then within 2 days of booking actually got covid, having avoided it up till now. I have had to cancel the appointment and need to wait 28 days before organising another one.
Pheno
Oh Pheno!! That's rotten!
Hope you make a swift and full recovery. :-*
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Thanks MH. Yes much improved thanks, glad to get rid of the hacking cough I had. Have kindly passed it on to my husband and daughter so we are closeted together in this bubble for a while longer yet.
Pheno
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Thanks MH. Yes much improved thanks, glad to get rid of the hacking cough I had. Have kindly passed it on to my husband and daughter so we are closeted together in this bubble for a while longer yet. Pheno
Almost inevitable I am afraid, but hopefully the vaccination programme has saved the virus from longer sickness.
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Thats good to hear Lisa.
Ironically I booked my covid booster and then within 2 days of booking actually got covid, having avoided it up till now. I have had to cancel the appointment and need to wait 28 days before organising another one.
Pheno
That’s rotten luck - hoping you feel better soon.
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I got an email inviting me to book my 4th jab last week. I immediately logged into the NHS site, fully expecting to have problems as I did for the previous ones. To my surprise there were plenty of slots, so I was able to get one in 10 days (I'm away from home at the moment) at a local chemist and at a sensible time.
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Oh dear Pheno
Hope your symptoms and those of your family aren't too bad.
How long must you wait before getting vaccine now ?
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Actually just like a summer cold but the hacking cough that accompanied it was quite debilitating and draining of energy. Its almost gone now though and the same for the others. Thanks for asking.
Covid booking webiste says re book 28 days after onset of symptoms for adults, different advice for children.
Pheno
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Hope you and your family continue to improve pheno.
Husband is due for covid booster so looked at the NHS website and went to nearest walk in on Saturday. Lots of folk there all being turned away as they said the website was wrong and they don't do walk ins. Apparently one man was quite ' direct' with the receptionist. No bookable appointments available there until mid October. Then yesterday saw a post from our gp's saying they are working their way down their lists so to expect a phone call to make an appt there soon, so husband thinks he'll wait for that - which will save the petrol to travel to the walk in.
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I'm off for mine in an hour or so! Flu jab booked for 3 weeks later.
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Had mine yesterday in next town. Friend had his last week. He's got frozen shoulder now, and I spent night very uncomfortable with painful shoulder. No issues at all with earlier covid shots???
TY
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Had mine yesterday in next town. Friend had his last week. He's got frozen shoulder now, and I spent night very uncomfortable with painful shoulder. No issues at all with earlier covid shots???
TY
Sorry to hear that TY… which one did you have before and which one yesterday?
We’ve got ours next week…
Caroline
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All I have is a slightly tender arm if I touch where the needle went in. I feel very lucky!
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Had 3 texts in total from the Drs - 1st one saying there would be 2 further texts, one with a link for booking covid and flu jab and another for booking just a flu jab.
Very efficient and booked online at my GP practice (always assuming they haven’t run out of vaccine) as it isn’t until the middle of October
Jo
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Had mine yesterday in next town. Friend had his last week. He's got frozen shoulder now, and I spent night very uncomfortable with painful shoulder. No issues at all with earlier covid shots???
TY
You could report it via NHS Yellow Card system.
https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk
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We were warned that the effects might be more severe with the Moderna bivalent, which is being used for the 65+ group when possible - so a known side effect.
We had ours last Wednesday and the pain in the upper arm was painful and lasted for 2-3 days but not bad enough to take paracetamol, etc.
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OH and I had the 5th jab (Moderna) on 8 September - local walk-in centre with no appointment made. Neither of us had more than a slight ache in the area of injection for a short time.
I had a more terrible time when I had to have blood taken last week. Nurse tried my right forearm "oops, I think I've gone through the vein", so tried the left forearm. I had two rather large bruises for quite some days, despite the use of arnica gel.
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I caught Covid not long after getting the third jab last Christmas.
Some might see me as an example of why there is no point getting vaccinated.
I see it slightly differently.
I'M NOT DEAD.
If I wasn't fully vaccinated at the time, I might be, so yes, I'll keep getting vaccinated.
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Couldn't agree more, I felt exactly the same when I caught it. :)
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It all goes to show that we all react differently :)
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It all goes to show that we all react differently :)
That's because we are human beings!!
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It all goes to show that we all react differently :)
That's because we are human beings!!
Really - and there was I thinking that we are all robots ;D ;D ;D
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My last appointment had a 3 hour waiting list, mostly pensioners by the look of it so gave up on that. Getting the jags today, next door to Morrison's so 2 birds with the one stone. ;D
Skoosh.
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Getting the jags today, next door to Morrison's so 2 birds with the one stone. ;D
Mine is next door to "big" TESCO, a store I rarely visit. I'm going to do a big shop, buy items my local shops don't stock, and get a taxi home. My appointment is early evening; long wait for a bus after 6 p.m.
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The trip to the medical centre went well, told it might be two and a half hours wait in the queue but more cavalry arrived to knock an hour off that. There were eight tables manned and the lassie who gave me the jags is on 12 hour shifts so hard going for them. A new variant expected so needed doing.
A very late dinner, a couple of "Hoose Haufs!" and an early night. ;D
Bests,
Skoosh.
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Good afternoon,
Had mine wed morning at a local pharmacy. The pharmacist herself was doing covid jabs (moderna)and one of her staff doing flu jabs. Didn't even realise she had done it until she started throwing things in the sharps bin etc.
No after effects at all, but junior and his partner both had bad after effects from it. OH had hers wed afternoon but at a different place to me. She was given a different list of places to me. She got a different jab and had a mild headache for 24 hrs maybe a little longer.
I was talking to a friend when I took the poppy boxes round for her. She said that she and her mum had their4th jabs back in the spring and have now been told they are eligible for a 5th jab.
John915
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We both had ours yesterday at the doctors, flu and the (new) Pfizer together, we both feel really rotten today, well in reality we are both utterly tired and lacking in motivation
Supposed to be going for a short break tomorrow, will hope it’s improved by then.
Mike
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Take care both of you.
I think it took me a couple of days to get over it this time. OH didn't react as badly
PS - we have the flu one on Thursday.
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I do hope you are all feeling brighter again.
I had mine on Wednesday last week.
Happily l didn't seem to suffer any ill effects.
Flu next Saturday.
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My youngest phoned me today, four of her co-workers have covid, three are feeling pretty rough. All are vaccinated 🙁
Think we’re in for a long winter.
My jabs are on the 29th.
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Have they had the autumn booster Suey? Am hoping you say No! ;)
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Aaaaaargh! It's not going away, is it? I'm glad to say that OH and I have had our 5th jab!
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Had my booster jab on Saturday, it was the 5th Covid one I’ve had. I had no side effects at all which I was pleased about. Flu jab next week.
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Latest figures:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Only released once a week now.
Add - Interesting info re Autumn booster ~
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations?areaType=nation&areaName=England
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Have they had the autumn booster Suey? Am hoping you say No! ;)
I don’t think they have, they are only in their 30’s and 40’s so I’m guessing will have to wait until the vulnerable and oldies have had theirs 🙁
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In case anyone missed it.
Anyone over 50 can now get their Autumn Covid booster. Slipped out yesterday on R4 Today programme. Seemed somehow to be overshadowed by "other news". :)
I've got mine booked at local hospital next Thursday.
Tony.
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Well we got our four days away >:( >:(
In a crowded hotel with 400 other guests and now see that one in thirty seven in England have covid.
Should be a good test of our booster, but at least I patronised the dedicated smoking area along with quite a few others, nicotine has been used for two centuries as a anti virus in greenhouses.
Mike
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Had mine Tuesday at a mass vaccination centre. Appointment letter in its' distinctive blue NHS Scotland envelope arrived about a fortnight ago, a month earlier than I expected.