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Evening all,
I'm looking for Mary Quinlan and her husband William.
Timeline of things I DO know about her (and family)
b. abt. 1817 as Mary Mitchell (possibly in Ireland)
m. 8/10/1938 St. Giles in the East, Middlesex to William Quinlan
1841: 3 children b. March 1841; Bridget, Catherine, Julia.
1844: 1 child John.
I've got Mary on the 1851 census.
Living in King Street, St Giles.
I think William and Mary are both born in Ireland.
I'm finding it hard to find this census AND their births.
Thanks
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All girls born before the 1841 census then - where were they born as that is close to census date so can look for that area/address?
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Are all the little girls still alive after 1841?
Per GRO Julia & Catherine born Jun 1841. Haven't found Bridget but Mary born Dec 1838.
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Julia Quinlan
Age: 2
Burial 9 Apr 1843 St Giles in the Fields,
Added: address Drury Lane
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Catharine Quinlan
Age: 6 months
Death Date: 12 Sep 1841
Burial Date: 12 Sep 1841, Saint Giles in the Fields
Address Clarks Buildings
If six months old they should be on 1841 census
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However it looks like Mary won;t be on 1841
Mary Quinlan
Age: 2 months
Burial 24 Jan 1837, St Giles in the Fields
Address Drury Lane
Scrap that - predates the birth registration!
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The burial information gives us an address to look for at least.
I did wonder if they were in workhouse 1841 :-\
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There's also a Thomas Quinlan born Jun 1843 St Giles
Ann & Jane Quinlan born Jun 1848 St Giles - possible death for Jane Sep 1849 age 1
All with MMN Mitchell
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Morning all,
Went to bed shortly after posting last night as still feeling rough.
Thought it'd be helpful the actual dates I have. All, apart from Mary Ann, are from the St Patrick's RC Church, Soho Square, Middlesex.
I have the birth certificate of Mary Ann Quinlan mother Mary nee Mitchell and father William.
b. 27/08/1838 - King Street St Giles. Bap. 16/09/1838 St Patrick's RC, Soho.
Bridget - b. 12/03/1841 bap. 31/03/1841 St Patrick's RC, Soho
Catherine - b. 21/03/1841 bap. 04/04/1841 St Patrick's RC, Soho
Julia - b. 21/03/1841 bap. 04/04/1841 St Patrick's RC, Soho
John - b. 26/07/1844 bap. 11/08/1844 St Patrick's, Soho
Jane - b. 22/05/1848
Ann - b. 22/05/1848
The area they lived in the Soho, St Anne's, Drury Lane, St Giles area
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Bridget can’t be right born same month but earlier date ???
Have you got a birth registration for her as only found the other two girls in 1841 - did she die young or survive?
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Bridget can’t be right born same month but earlier date ???
Have you got a birth registration for her as only found the other two girls in 1841 - did she die young or survive?
This was obtained from the St Patrick's RC Church, Soho Baptism register at the SOG. Could be a error in the transcription on it I guess.
Possibly Bridget was born earlier.
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Have you found the birth registration for her to check?
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Not as yet.
EDIT:
I've looked on GRO site and nothing for her being born to mmn Mitchell.
I suspect that Bridget is wrong!
See link below
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Had a look on FindMyPast for the Quinlan Baps at St Patricks and found the entries.
Not sure if you can see this link.https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBPRS%2FROMCATH%2FWESTMINSTER%2FSTPS_M_1834-1842%2F00249&parentid=PRS%2FROMCATH%2FBAP%2FWESTM%2FPH3%2F087099
I don't seem to be able to attach two images of the entries.
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For some reason I cannot upload snippets/images of the link above.
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Searched and found the other 2 girls but not Bridget, is she on the same page?
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Bridget is on the left page near the top.
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Oh yes I see it now how very strange. No answer to that one unless it was a burial not a baptism.
So can we find a birth or death registration for a Bridget?
That 1841 census would be so helpful, can you find the address we have nearest to census date?
Clarks Buildings from Mabel’s earlier post.
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As far as I know:
1838 King Street (Mary Ann birth)
1841 Clark buildings (Catherine Burial)
1843 King Street, Drury Lane (Jane Burial)
1843 King Street (Thomas Burial)
1849 King Street (Julia Burial)
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Have a look for that address in 1841.
That’s your best chance but not hopeful, I was wondering if the whole family were in the workhouse at the time :-\.
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Have a look for that address in 1841.
That’s your best chance but not hopeful, I was wondering if the whole family were in the workhouse at the time :-\.
As daft s this sound I cannot work out how to search a street on that census ::) :-[
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I have trouble searching by address (on any census) or would have looked for you.
Hopefully others who know better will be able to help. Maybe it is different in 1841 not sure.
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I found Drury Lane ... No Quinlans at all.
I looked for King Street but nothing came up in the area.
I may well give up on them.
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You want the 1841 address not those ones.
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Clark buildings not existing either
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Find my Past street search shows Clark’s Buildings, St Giles in the Fields
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Thanks.
I will have a look at that. I don't have a FindMyPast subscription but may help
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Sorry, nor do I but it’s shows it exists :)
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Thanks.
Looked through the index for and there are a Quinlan family just not my lot.
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Think I have found a Clarks Buildings, is Finsbury the right area? Can't find it on ancestry nor am seeing any that could be your family.
Do you have an occupation for William please from the birth certificate you have for one of the girls?
Still think workhouse is a possibility where they could be under initials :-\
Q would be good to look for. If there is a family of Q's with the right first initials but where was their local workhouse.
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I have tried searching for names which are similar but nothing yet.
Clarks Buildings
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bloomsbury-project/streets/clarks_buildings.htm
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Think I have found a Clarks Buildings, is Finsbury the right area? Can't find it on ancestry nor am seeing any that could be your family.
Do you have an occupation for William please from the birth certificate you have for one of the girls?
Still think workhouse is a possibility where they could be under initials :-\
Q would be good to look for. If there is a family of Q's with the right first initials but where was their local workhouse.
William was in 1838 a Plasterer according to his daughter Mary Ann Quinlan at 10 King Street, Drury Lane.
Sadly Finsbury Park is a fair distance from St Giles. Drury Lane is near Covent Garden.
There was a workhouse in the Sheffield Street Area near Holborn.
I have tried searching for names which are similar but nothing yet.
Clarks Buildings
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bloomsbury-project/streets/clarks_buildings.htm
That's an interesting bit of local history.
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I presume Clarks Buildings were a series of buildings.
Elizabeth Barry b 1838 is living in N4 Clarks Buildings. The adjacent census page is N5.
Piece 673 , Book 16, folio 50, page 5.
I found it by searching on FindMyPast then looking for the name on Anc. I looked for Mary but still can’t see anything.
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I found Drury Lane on the 1841 and went through page by page.
Wondering if King Street is listed on the 1841 on a different one
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Henry Adey
1841 673, book 1, folio 19, pg 30
King Street seems to begin on the page to the left then it is just dittoed for a few pages until Queen Street starts.
It may be in other pieces depending on the length and route though.
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I found the Workhouse.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8978/images/MDXHO107_673_673-0022?ssrc=&backlabel=Return
Henry Adey
1841 673, book 1, folio 19, pg 30
King Street seems to begin on the page to the left then it is just dittoed for a few pages until Queen Street starts.
It may be in other pieces depending on the length and route though.
Finally found King Street ... going through it now
Thanks
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King Street (and did Queen Street too)
I give up :(
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8978/images/MDXHO107_672_673-0181?ssrc=&backlabel=Return
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Well done for finding the workhouse - I paged through it concentrating on looking for the little girls ages - but no luck and they all have full names.
Can't say we all aren't giving it a good go!
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If they had infants/sickly children etc, they might just have had no time to bother with the census. Or they might just be omitted.
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Do you have this (possible) record for nephew James Lynch who is with Mary in 1851?
1841 673 /15/22
Church Lane St Giles
William Lynch 35 yrs
Jane Lynch 35 yrs
James Lynch 10 yrs
Mary Lynch 5 yrs
Mary Lynch 3 yrs
Anank Mitchel 28 yrs (possibly Hannah)
James baptism January 1829 - parents William and Jane address 4 Church Lane.
I was hoping that Jane would be the connection but I can’t see the youngest child’s birth or subsequent ones with a Mitchell mother.
There is another James Lynch 10 yrs, also Church Street with two younger Lynch boys living with variously names people at 673 /28/49
I was obviously hoping that they would lead us to Mary but no!
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Mary Lynch 5 yrs
Mary Lynch 3 yrs
Anank Mitchel 28 yrs (possibly Hannah)
I wonder why 2 Mary's but suppose we don't know the relationship.
"Hannah" is in the male column as a labourer ;D
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Oops - I thought I checked that. I saw labourer but it didn’t register!
I have no idea what the name is then.
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I sort of get the feeling that the Quinlans, being Irish immigrants, may not have wanted to be on the census or their name was miscommunicated.
They could be all there somewhere in the parish but just listed under a different name.
Thank you both very much for the help, ideas and advice.
I now try to work out where about in Ireland they came from
William Quinlan (abt. 1816 - 1849)
Mary Mitchell (abt. 1817 - aft.1851)
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Hi all,
Long time since I revisited this thread.
I have rediscovered the original entries of the Quinlan children. They have not been kindly translated in to English from Latin.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=877987
The last one is very interesting is Bridget's Birth info and her two siblings Catherine and Julia.
I still have not found the Quinlans on the 1841 census
I have seen the name as Quinland, Quinlon.
Any further ideas?
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I have posted re Bridget’s baptism on your other thread.
There are only two civil birth registrations - Catherine and Julia.
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Thanks Heywood.
Still a mystery as to the parents on the 1841.
Wonder what happened to Bridget
Was she born a year earlier ?
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The full pages are on
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=877987.msg7500349#msg7500349