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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: Oz Kim on Friday 30 September 22 09:20 BST (UK)
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Hi all
I'm looking for information on 2 sisters born in Devon England but married into the Ffrench & Lynch Families of Tuam, Galway. Amelia France ALDRICH & Frances Mary Emma ALDRICH daughters of a C of E Clergyman from Brixham, Devon.
Amelia is recorded in the 1841 UK Census aged 25. working as a Governess in Brixham
there is no record of her in the 1851 UK census perhaps she was in Ireland. She married a Ffrench around this time I am unable to access my Family tree on the PC atm but from memory her husband was "Mark Joseph Ffrench"
In the 1861 UK census she is back in Brixham with her father Charles ALDRICH & youngest sister Frances ALDRICH & she is recorded as married "wife of a private Gentleman" her husband was not with her
in the 1871 UK census she is recorded as married but working as a Governess in Lancashire husband not with her.
nothing in the 1881 & 1891 UK census guessing she was back in Ireland
1901 Ireland Census she is a Widow living with her sister Frances Lynch, her husband Charles Lynch (a landowner) & their Grandson Jack Sexton in Carrowbeg
I am hoping these sisters are recorded in Ireland during these missing Census returns
Frances disappears from the UK records after the death of her father in 1864...I don't believe Amelia had children of her own but Frances may have the names Neptune LYNCH & Susan LYNCH come to mind.
I believe there is a connection between the Ffrench & Lynch Families around this time
Amelia was born in Brixham, Devon 1817
Frances was born in Stonehouse, Devon 1843
both sisters married in R.C. Church in Ireland
Thanks
Kim
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Hi
See below for 1876 Marriage in Dublin of Frances Aldrich and Charles Lynch of Tuam:-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11177/8095287.pdf
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The first complete census for Ireland is 1901. Only small fragments for a few places survive.
1901 Ireland Census she is a Widow living with her sister Frances Lynch, her husband Charles Lynch (a landowner) & their Grandson Jack Sexton in Carrowbeg
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Claretuam/Carrowbeg_North/1400701/
Amelia French (one F) died in 1904-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05608/4577074.pdf
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There are newspaper announcements of the marriage in August 1849 in Irish Newspapers
I can only see snippets so not sure where it occurred.
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Some children of Charles Lynch & Frances Aldrich (could be others)-
Neptune (1878-1878)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02961/2084828.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020508/7196726.pdf
Neptune Joseph (1880)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02882/2055862.pdf (mother Frances Josephene)
Susan Mary Gertrude (1880)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02849/2043949.pdf
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Again, a newspaper snippet - is it the same Mark Ffrench?
8th February 1854 Tuam Herald
‘and protecting them for the future against such villainous” treatment that experienced our respected townsman Mark Ffrench, Ksq., (to whom wish God speed and all success in the laud of his adoption), and his suffering fellow-passengers Australia’
There is an Australian death 1884 for Mark Ffrench but I have no access so no idea if it is him.
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Amelia Mary Lynch (1885)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02633/1971105.pdf
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1901 Ireland Census she is a Widow living with her sister Frances Lynch, her husband Charles Lynch (a landowner) & their Grandson Jack Sexton in Carrowbeg
Charles Joseph Lynch died at Carrowbeg in December 1905. His son Neptune J Lynch was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05567/4563365.pdf
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1876 marriage show Charles Lynch a widower. At least one son from previous marriage-
Belfast Newsletter, 19 Dec.1862: Lynch- At Carrabeg, the wife of Charles J. Lynch, Esq., _ of a son and heir.
? Roscommon Journal. 25 May 1861: At Carrabeg, on the 15th inst., the lady of Charles Lynch, Esq., of son.
Western Star & Ballinasloe Advertiser, 25 Apr.1863: ... April _, at Carrabeg, County Galway, Belinda Anne, wife of Charter J. Lynch, ...
Leinster Reporter, 29 Apr.1863: At Clarrabeg, County Galway, Belinda Anne, wife of Charles J. Lynch, Esq, ... sorrowing husband and four children. [Similar death notice in Galway Vindicator says 'four young children']
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Hi
See the link below, which refers to Charles, stating 'His first wife was Belinda O'Conor Donelan who died in 1862 and his second wife was a French of Pollnahallia, parish of Donaghpatrick, county Galway.'
https://landedestates.ie/estate/986
Regards
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Hi
See the link below, which refers to Charles, stating 'His first wife was Belinda O'Conor Donelan who died in 1862 and his second wife was a French of Pollnahallia, parish of Donaghpatrick, county Galway.'
https://landedestates.ie/estate/986
Regards
Will have a read through this in a minute but meanwhile-
Catherine ffrench Lynch, widow, age 64, died 1924. Informant was son Henry ffrench Lynch-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1924/05028/4374702.pdf
Henry ffrench Lynch-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Kilshanvy/Toberroe/1402855/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Winton_Road/55959/
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Dominick Lynch (c1863-aft.1911) m.(1908) Margaret Creaven (c1878-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10066/5661604.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Claretuam/Carrowbeg__North/547559/
1. Margaret Mary Lynch (1909-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01609/1645904.pdf
2. Olive Eta Agnes Lynch (1910-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01567/1632425.pdf
3. Francis Lynch (1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01507/1612456.pdf
4. Edith Clementina Lynch (1913)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01448/1592378.pdf
5. Kathleen Teresa Lynch (1914)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01400/1575961.pdf
6. Maud Lynch (1916)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01333/1550557.pdf
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Carrowbeg House
https://landedestates.ie/property/759
MapGenie 25 Inch map in Basemap Gallery on the OSi National Townland and Historical Map Viewer-
https://arcg.is/1CLWqn0
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Further to reply #10-
Henry Ffrench Lynch married a widow, Catherine Hackett, in 1891-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10663/5885129.pdf
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Henry Ffrench Lynch married a widow, Catherine Hackett, in 1891-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10663/5885129.pdf
Catherine FFrench Lynch (a widow) died in 1924 at Rockwell House. Her son Henry Ffrench Lynch was the informant. See reply #10
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1924/05028/4374702.pdf
Henry Ffrench Lynch died in 1921 also at Rockwell House.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05082/4394549.pdf
The 1901 census in reply #10
House 2 in Toberroe (Kilshanvy, Galway).
Toberroe townland
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/dunmore/kilconla/kilshanvy/toberroe/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5570197#map=12/53.5401/-8.9473
Rockwell House (MapGenie 25 Inch map in Basemap Gallery) in Toberroe townland.
https://arcg.is/1P8ueW
KG
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At reply #10-
Henry ffrench Lynch-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Kilshanvy/Toberroe/1402855/
Matilda [J] Ffrench-Lynch died aged 68 yrs in 1960 at Salthill, Galway. Her sister Grace [Kathleen Grace] was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1960/04332/4119503.pdf
Edited to Add:
Knocknacarragh townland to the west of Salthill.
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/galway/rahoon/knocknacarragh/
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The 1901 census in reply #10
House 2 in Toberroe (Kilshanvy, Galway).
Amy M [F F] Lynch aged 5 yrs.
Amy Mary Ffrench-Lynch married Francis Gordon on 23 June 1931 at the Church of the University, Dublin. Grace Ffrench-Lynch was her sister's witness. Amy's address was Rockwell House, Kilconla, Tuam. Francis Gordon, a farmer was living at Kilcooney?, Tuam.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1931/09025/5265877.pdf
Female Gordon
Birth Date: Oct - Dec 1933
Tuam
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F17Q-62H
Male Gordon
Birth Date: Jul - Sep 1935
Tuam MMN Lynch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F17B-BJ9
Female Gordon
Birth Date: Jul - Sep 1937
Tuam MMN Lynch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F14V-V9K
Female Gordon
Birth Date: Oct - Dec 1932
Tuam MMN Lynch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1Q5-223
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Ffrench is an unusual surname, is there any chance it could be derived or otherwise associated with the surname .. Ffrance ?
If a possibility, checkout Rawcliffe Hall, Lancashire and the passing of the property on the death of Ffrance to Wilson of Broughton on condition he adopted the surname Ffrance. (bypassing a niece of the surname Ffrance)
cheers, Ian
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THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR REPLYING
I do remember the information about Charles Lynch's 1st wife Belinda & 2nd wife a "French" i am guessing this was an assumption based on Frances probably residing with her sister Amelia Ffrench I have the marriage record for Charles Lynch & Frances Aldrich in Ireland
i am curious if Dominick Lynch who inherited the Estate from Charles was the son of his 1st marriage as I believe Frances & Charles had at least 2 children Neptune Lynch & Susan Lynch (unconfirmed)
it appears the year after they are recorded in the 1901 Ireland Census Frances is recorded as a widowed inmate in a workhouse then her death late 1905 in Tuam (TBC).
Also have to wonder as it appears Dominick Lynch only had 6 daughters who inherited the family estate on his death...is this where the French-Lynch name starts? Lots of questions
Ian Nelson
Funny you should mention a France/French connection...Amelia & Frances's mother was Susan Bartlett FRANCE born in Brixham...Her father was Commander R.N. Nathaniel Thomas FRANCE born in Plymouth however from here the Irish connection begins his father Nathaniel FRANCE a surgeon in R.N. born in Waterford Ireland...Capt Thomas FRANCE born Ireland then there's a Rev Thomas FRANCE who seems to have some connection to Bishop Nathaniel FOY.
It would seem there could be more to the French/France connection than Amelia's marriage.
Unfortunately I could not access any information on Rawcliffe Hall.
Thanks again everyone for all the help
Kim
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i am curious if Dominick Lynch who inherited the Estate from Charles was the son of his 1st marriage as I believe Frances & Charles had at least 2 children Neptune Lynch & Susan Lynch (unconfirmed)
it appears the year after they are recorded in the 1901 Ireland Census Frances is recorded as a widowed inmate in a workhouse then her death late 1905 in Tuam (TBC).
Also have to wonder as it appears Dominick Lynch only had 6 daughters who inherited the family estate on his death...is this where the French-Lynch name starts?
Reply #11- Dominick's marriage lists father. There were 5 daughters and at least one son (Francis born 1911)
Reply #4 & #6- Charles & Frances had 4 children: Neptune, Neptune Joseph, Susan Mary Gertrude, Amelia Mary
The widowed Frances Louisa Lynch, age 69, that died in 1905 died at Cloosheen and the informant was her son Darcy Lynch of the same place.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05576/4566211.pdf
Here she is with son Darcy & daughter Barbara in 1901 census so not your Frances-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Kilshanvy/Cloonsheen/1402737/
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Charles Lynch's 1st wife Belinda-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014911/005014911_00147.pdf
Can't see death in Ireland in 1900s for Frances Lynch yet.
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“ Reply #11- Dominick's marriage lists father. There were 5 daughters and at least one son (Francis born 1911)”
Francis b 1911 is registered as ‘female’.
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....I believe Frances & Charles had at least 2 children Neptune Lynch & Susan Lynch (unconfirmed)..
???
Aghadowey has confirmed the births of at least three children in replies #4 and #6
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“ Reply #11- Dominick's marriage lists father. There were 5 daughters and at least one son (Francis born 1911)”
Francis b 1911 is registered as ‘female’.
Thanks for picking up on that, heywood :-[
I remember when originally posting that 'Francis' was female and should have noted that in the original posting.
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I see that there are 4 Ancestry family trees that list Dominick's daughther as Oliveeta Agnes Lynch (as mis-transcribed in 1911 census) but her birth registration shows she was Olive Eta Agnes.
Had a look at one of the trees and it says father Dominick died 1960 Dublin. There is a Dominick Lynch who died in 1960 in Drogheda but he was a bachelor-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1960/04334/4120352.pdf
Same tree lists Dominick's parents as Charles Lynch and O'conner Donlan and also gives Dominick a sister- wait for this- Frances Louisa Lynch born 1836 died 1905! Which, according to this ridiculous tree mean Charles gave birth to a child when about a year old! This 'daughter' also had a son merely called 'Rockwell.' Good examples of how not to trace your family and not to copy someone else's tree.
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Sorry if this has been posted already
Newspaper snippet
Galway Express 30th December 1905 re death of Charles Lynch
“Friday, 22nd inst., in the family vault at ???, after 'solemn High Mass.Captain Lynch left a family by both wives, the eldest of whom is Major Dominick Lynch if the United States Army”
The place name for the family vault is ‘lielebins’ which is presumably an error.
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“Friday, 22nd inst., in the family vault at ???, after 'solemn High Mass.Captain Lynch left a family by both wives, the eldest of whom is Major Dominick Lynch if the United States Army”
The place name for the family vault is ‘lielebins’ which is presumably an error.
Reading the obituary on FindMyPast newspapers, the family vault was at Belclare.
"in the family vault at Belclare, after solemn High Mass."
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6185742#map=14/53.4920/-8.9342
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Thanks KG.
I was wondering if Frances would be interred there or recorded there to give a date of death.
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enter ' Ffrance of Rawcliffe ' on Google and you will get some excellent sources of info. Other places are Familysearch which has quite a few entries but I copied them about 6 years ago before their search methods befuddled me, ( I no longer use familysearch )
rawcliffe is ancient and there is a list of the owners up to the present day.
One Thomas Roe ( Attorney ) was an owner in the 1700s and his daughter married John Ffrance of Eccleston ( nearby ) and thence to the Wilsons of Broughton on condition the Ffrance name was kept alive. Some of the Wilson sons born before this transaction didn't adopt the Ffrance name.
I cannot find the connection now but I know there was marriage connections to the Massy and Westropp families of Dublin & Limerick ( found in Familysearch.org)
A common theme since Thomas Roe onwards seems to be membership of the Legal Profession and Methodism.
I'm on my 3rd computer since I originally discovered these stories and cannot trace what I copied - but if I do I'll continue trying to trace other connections.
By the way ... according to the t'internet, the use of the ff was prior to the adoption of the Capital Letter ' F '.
cheers, Ian
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I saw a couple of snippets re Neptune Lynch which implied that he became a priest/brother.
Here he is - number 406
https://spiritans.org/documents/2019/5/SWWW-for-web-section-4-part-1.pdf
And here is his death as Fr Joseph Lynch
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1933/04854/4310238.pdf
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Susan Mary Gertrude (1880)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02849/2043949.pdf
Susan Mary Lynch died in March 1882 aged 16 months at Carrabeg [sic].
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06410/4840828.pdf
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Again, a newspaper snippet - is it the same Mark Ffrench?
8th February 1854 Tuam Herald
‘and protecting them for the future against such villainous” treatment that experienced our respected townsman Mark Ffrench, Ksq., (to whom wish God speed and all success in the laud of his adoption), and his suffering fellow-passengers Australia’
There is an Australian death 1884 for Mark Ffrench but I have no access so no idea if it is him.
This is very interesting Heywood...it could explain why Amelia is never recorded with her husband especially if he was travelling to Australia in 1854...does it mention an Australian State where he could have died I've checked the register of Births, deaths & marriages in NSW but nothing there
Thank you for this
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Charles Lynch's 1st wife Belinda-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014911/005014911_00147.pdf
Can't see death in Ireland in 1900s for Frances Lynch yet.
Perhaps a remarriage then with Charles dying in 1905 & the estate passing to his son from his 1st marriage may have been her only option...can't find a death in England
Thanks for all the help
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Hi Everyone
Thank you so much for all the help I really appreciate it. I finally found these 2 sisters, now it seems I've lost Frances again but at least I can cross Amelia off the list. Now to see what I can find out about this Mark Ffrench travelling to Australia
Thanks again
Kim
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Unfortunately, I don’t have access to Australian records, but the death is Victoria. I hope this helps.
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Can't remember if this posted yet-
The Argus [Melbourne], 18 June 1855: FFRENCH—ALDRICH—If Mark Ffrench, of Tuam, Co. Galway, Ireland, who arrived at Port Phillip in the Baretto Junior, in October 1853, will write to his brother-in-law, Charles F. Aldrich, Newcastle, N.S. Wales, he will relieve the painful anxiety of his friends, who have not heard of or from him since his arrival in the colonies. Or if any one has seen or heard of him, Mr. Aldrich will feel grateful if they would correspond with him, and address Newcastle, N.S. Wales.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/255613242?searchTerm=mark%20ffrench
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Thanks aghadowey. :)
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Unfortunately, I don’t have access to Australian records, but the death is Victoria. I hope this helps.
yes it does Thank you Heywood
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Can't remember if this posted yet-
The Argus [Melbourne], 18 June 1855: FFRENCH—ALDRICH—If Mark Ffrench, of Tuam, Co. Galway, Ireland, who arrived at Port Phillip in the Baretto Junior, in October 1853, will write to his brother-in-law, Charles F. Aldrich, Newcastle, N.S. Wales, he will relieve the painful anxiety of his friends, who have not heard of or from him since his arrival in the colonies. Or if any one has seen or heard of him, Mr. Aldrich will feel grateful if they would correspond with him, and address Newcastle, N.S. Wales.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/255613242?searchTerm=mark%20ffrench
Wow this would explain a lot...why Amelia was working as a Governess in England while still married...Charles F Aldrich was one of the 3 surviving brothers of Frances & Amelia who all settled in Australia prior to Amelia marrying if memory serves
Thank you Aghadowey
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Looking at Victoria's death index it looks as though Mark Ffrench died at Ararat Hos[pital?].
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Looking at Victoria's death index it looks as though Mark Ffrench died at Ararat Hos[pital?].
Yes I saw that thanks Aghadowey...wondering if there's any point paying for the Certificate as there's no Father, mother or spouse info