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Family told me I have gone wrong on the tree with my long distance dad said of the family
I do know my dad is Robert kilford Marriage
1991 • Stourbridge, West Midlands, United Kingdom
Jacqueline Bagley. They had 3 kids by half brother.
End around 1989
Then again with Jacqueline cousin !! My mom Fletcher not married 😁.....
:::::::::: Robert parents
Richard Kilford
1932 in London
2019 . I do know we was written letter
Daphne Knight
1938–2015
BIRTH 1938 • Marylebone, London
DEATH 18 JUN 2015
Lived at
101Swallands Road, London SE6 3HG
Richard 1923 are Parents in my tree
robert henry kilford
1893–1966
Rosina M Sorrell. ! ?? Or Sorel. Where I think I gone wrong
1899–1975
Siblings
Robert Kilford
1929–2003
Charles S Kilford
1935–1968
Spouse and children
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Richard KILFORD birth registered Sept qtr 1932 at Pancras (1b/136) has mother's maiden name SORREL.
Robert KILFORD married Rosina M SORRELL Mar qtr 1924 registered at Islington (1b/341).
Children that I can see are:
1929 Primo R KILFORD (mmn SORELL)
1932 Richard KILFORD (mmn SORELL)
1935 Charles S KILFORD (mmn SORRELL)
There is a Rosina May SORRELL birth registered Sept qtr 1899 Islington (1b/244), mmn BUTT. Her death as Rosina May KILFORD Mar qtr 1975 Lewisham (14/761) has her birth date as 24 May 1899.
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There is a Frederick John SORRELL and Alice Louisa BUTT on the same page of the marriage registry Jun qtr 1882 Islington (1b/375).
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Frederick and Alice can be found in the 1901 census at 7 Dorinda St, Islington
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9ZB-SLZ
and in 1911 at 26 Bride St, Islington.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLR-17P
Rosina May SORRELL was baptised 21 Jun 1899 at St Clement, Barnsbury, Islington. Parents Frederick John (horse keeper) and Alice Louisa of 7 Dorinda St.
Modified to add:
And in 1891 at St Paul's Rd
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QWSP-L3Z
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Family told me I have gone wrong on the tree
Perhaps you can tell us what they say is wrong about your tree.
Debra :)
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It look like I have not gone wrong because I got all of that information.
They say robert henry kilford
1893–1966 was wiv Harriett Reed
Not Not with Sorrell
To be honest with you . The kilford don't want nothing to do with me I have reached out to them just keep say I'm not family. When they all got my granddad Richard 1932 information marriage Daphne Knight.
we will try to figure this out....it is confusing to some degree...but we will get it to a point where it makes sense. I think you have gone wrong with Richard mom sorrell. You have add my grandmother information to you tree . When Richard mother is sorrel lot of different.
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Ok, I think your Robert KILFORD is just 'Robert', not 'Robert Henry'.
You really need to get the 1924 marriage certificate to see his age and his father's name and occupation.
These are the two Roberts, born around the same time.
KILFORD, ROBERT
Mother's maiden surname: WORRALL
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in NEWPORT SALOP AND STAFFORD Volume 06A Page 752
KILFORD, ROBERT HENRY
Mother's maiden surname: WASLEY
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 354
However there are another three born in various years back to 1886, including another Robert Henry. That is why you need the marriage certificate.
I notice that Rosina is on her own in 1939, no husband or children with her.
Debra :)
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So this is the Robert Henry Kilford marriage to Harriet
Robert Henry Kilford, 22. Bachelor. Hotel porter
Father: Robert Henry Kilford, hall porter
Harriett Reed 21, spinster
Father: George Reed, watchman
Marriage: 26 Apr 1913, St Peter's, Vauxhall, Lambeth, England
They're together in Wanstead & Woodford, Essex in 1939 with a number of redacted entries. There's 9 potential births (including two sets of twins) between 1914 and 1930. None called Richard
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I'm unsure . I when by granddad Richard 1932 information
But he Mom last name Sorrel
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVQ4-WRV2
Married https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVDL-MVJP
I think it I'm right with me tree .
But I do think Sorrel names is confusing everone else
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I think the most likely conclusion is that Richard is not the son of Robert Henry Kilford who married Harriet but another Robert who married Rosina. I'm not sure whether the people who are saying you are not related to them are already known to you through Richard, or you have found them through the RH Kilford connection believing, incorrectly that he is your Robert
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The parents of Richard Kilford born 1932 are definitely Robert Kilford and Rosina M. Sorrell who married in Mar.qtr.1924 Islington. But which Robert Kilford was it? The trees I've looked at on Ancestry show different Roberts (although none show any proof by certificates) and, in actual fact, I don't think the 1924 certificate will be of much help because if Robert is who I think he is he was born illegitimate!
In 1939 - as already mentioned - Rosina M Kilford is in Bedford with no family.
From electoral rolls for 1929 and 1933 Robert and Rosina are living at 20 Lamble Street, Kentish Town and whilst Rosina elsewhere in 1939 Robert is still at the same address - a Master Boot Repairer born 1/9/1890. I wonder where their 3 children were in 1939 as don't seem to be with either parent.
In 1911 he is a boarder in St Pancras - boot repairer - BUT shown as born in Southampton, Hampshire!
Can find no trace of him in 1891 or 1901 census but found a birth entry for a Robert Henry Kilford in Sept.qtr.1890 Southampton - alas, illegitimate (per GRO index).
'Your' Robert - married to Rosina - is plain Robert from 1911 onwards so never appears to have used his second name.
And where was he in 1891 and 1901? Perhaps put straight into the care system of the time.
In your position I would be getting the birth certificate of the Robert Henry Kilford born Sept.qtr.1890 Southampton - one can but hope that his birthdate agrees with that on 1939 register, albeit an illegitimate birth. I suspect his 1924 marriage certificate may just have fathers name as blank!
Hold that thought:
Although the birth of Robert Henry Kilford Sept.1890 is shown as illegitimate found the following on familysearch: Robert Henry Whitehall Kilford, bp.18/11/1890 Southampton, son of Ernest and Annie Kilford. Looks like the child was baptised as if of a lawful union although this was not the case - Ernest (whoever he was, Whitehall??) was certainly not a Kilford, but Annie was.
I eventually found on 1891 census in Lambeth a Robert H. Whittall, 7 months, born Southampton, nephew to a William J. Rowe and wife Alice M. - both born Shrewton, Wiltshire. (The couple married in Camberwell in 1886 as plain William Rowe and plain Alice Kilford). Looked to see if Alice Kilford had a sister Annie also born in Shrewton and indeed she did. Said Annie Kilford b.1865 was in Millbrook, Hampshire in 1891, still single, and her son Robert (listed as Whittall) with her married sister Alice in Lambeth. Presumably Robert's natural father was a Whitehall/Whittall albeit an Ernest (or even something else). Whoever he was Annie Kilford was not married to him and definitely still single in 1891.
Annette
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Well done Annette, that all looks very promising!
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Alice and Annie were siblings of Robert Henry KILFORD and he in turn was the father of the Robert Henry born in 1893 (married to Harriet REID).
Debra :)