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Title: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: chocaholic89 on Thursday 23 February 23 11:45 GMT (UK)
Hi, I'm wondering if anyone can help with this family please? We're looking for the mother of Joseph (b1858), Samuel (b1864) Henry (b1865), Sarah A (b1868) she's possibly Mary with husband Robert Davies.
In 1871 they were at Pentre, Chirk, 1881 New Bridge, Ruabon, Wrexham. I can't find them in 1861, but I need mothers maiden name if possible please.
thank you one and all.
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 14:26 GMT (UK)
Hi

The GRO birth registrations of  Joseph, Samuel  and Henry suggest that the mother's  (Mary) maiden name was Jones.

Note that Pentre and New Bridge are about 1/2 mile apart.

I'll check the marriages, shortly. 

Gadget (originally from that area)
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 14:40 GMT (UK)
There is a possible marriage for Robert Davies (23) and Mary Jones (29 or 27)  in Rhosymedre (nearest to Newbridge) on 5th December 1854. Both living Ruabon at the time.

Robert's father was Ellis Davies and Mary's was Edward Jones

Witnesses were William Davies and Phoebe Parry

Note that this is only a possible.  The registration district would be Wrexham. If they married in Chirk, the reg district would be Oswestry.

Gadget

Very bad image
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 14:51 GMT (UK)
Just checking that I have the correct family as you didn't mention the 2 daughters that were on the 1871 census

Sarah A Davies, aged 3, (bc.1869) and Mary E,  Davies, 6 mths , so born 1870

RG10/2784/21/10


Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 14:57 GMT (UK)
Also, on the 1881,  RG11/5514/101/32
John 9
James 6
George 5
Richard E 4   
Mary (first one may have died) 8 mths

These later ones born  Newbridge

Add - Richard E 's birth reg records him as Richard Ellis Davies, mmn Jones. Ellis might just possibly be for the father of Robert on the marriage cert that I found.
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 February 23 15:02 GMT (UK)


Doesn't help finding the family in 1861. Note an age gap between those first two children, Joseph and Samuel.

This might be worth a look - Geneanet Community Tree

https://gw.geneanet.org/xjojox?n=davies&oc=&p=samuel

Sandra

Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 15:05 GMT (UK)
Sandra


Note that i have mentioed all this.

Why are you repeating things that have already been found (well I suspect)


Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 15:06 GMT (UK)
Re the 1861 - parts of this area was missing.
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 February 23 15:57 GMT (UK)
Sandra


Note that i have mentioed all this.

Why are you repeating things that have already been found (well I suspect)

Could I offer another suggestion for the marriage of Robert Davies and Mary Jones ( without being chastised again  - -- rather childish !!)

Robert Davies (21 years) to Mary Jones (20 years) -   2 May 1857 - Pontfadog, Denbighshire, Wales.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCPB-2RF

Might be coincidence but that would seem to fit with the birth of Joseph 6 February 1858
baptised 6 June 1858

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCGR-KQX

Free bmd  - Marriages registered June 1857

Davies    Robert        Corwen    11b   693   
Jones    Mary        Corwen    11b   693   

Corwen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corwen

Thank You. Regards
Sandra  :)




Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 February 23 16:07 GMT (UK)
As I said it was only a suggestion  :)


Mary Jones 1837  (aged 20 years)

Marriage Date:   2 May 18 :   Pontfadog, Denbighshire, Wales
Father Richard Jones
Spouse Robert Davies
Page number 237


Sandra  :)
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 February 23 16:12 GMT (UK)
IF this is the right connection - This would be Mary Jones in 1851 Ruabon Denbighshire

Class HO107 Piece 2503 Folio 143 Page: 45


Richard Jones   33 Collier.
Elizabeth Jones   40
Mary Jones   14
Mathew Jones   11
William Jones   8
Richard Jones   6
Eleanor Jones   4
Hugh Jones   24

Sandra

Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 February 23 16:17 GMT (UK)


1861 census Ruabon, Denbighshire.

Richard Jones   43   Head. Coal Miner.
Elinth Jones 50   Wife
Mathew Jones 21   Son. Coal Miner
William Jones 18   Son.  Ditto
Elinor Jones 15   Daughter
Richard Jones 11   Son

Sandra
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 16:23 GMT (UK)
I think you;re going the wrong way. Note that the marriage cert is Llangollen.

The  1861 records for the pentre/newbridge area that they are living in is missing.

Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 16:24 GMT (UK)
Mary is born Chirk in all the censuses. 

 
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 16:34 GMT (UK)
Also - note that the marriage cert that you have found gives their residence as Castle Mill*. This is not in the area  that is indicated on the censuses.   It's in the Llangollen Trian not Ruabon or Chirk.

Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 16:39 GMT (UK)
Note that the majority of censuses have Mary and Robert both born Chirk.
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: chocaholic89 on Thursday 23 February 23 16:45 GMT (UK)
Thank you both for your efforts I really appreciate what you have found so far, it is helpful, and to know that the 1861 census has bits missing- I'll stop looking.
Not knowing the area makes it difficult.
I'll check the marriages that you suggest
 :) thank you
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 16:56 GMT (UK)
Many of my ancestors are from that area and I was born and lived there until my late teens. I  can picture exactly where they lived. It's difficult for those who don't know how the villages relate to each other.

Ill check my local info. and see if I can find more. Robert and Mary might well be distant relatives of mine  :)
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 17:04 GMT (UK)
Note that if Robert was born Newbridge rather than Chirk (censuses give both). You might well not find him in 1841 as the census for Ruabon (includes Newbridge that borders Chirk parish) is missing.
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 17:17 GMT (UK)
I think I might have found Robert in 1851

Newbridge Farm, Rhosynedre
Joseph Davies 48 Ag. lab.
Sarah, 47.
Henry, 16
Robert, 14
Harriet, 12

All b. Chirk apart from Sarah - born Llangollen.

It might well  be the one that Sandra found but ......
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 17:26 GMT (UK)
And if this is the Mary of the 1857 marriage. 

Her family are in Chirk in 1851 and  are not the Ruabon one that Sandra found .
Black Park, Chirk
Richard Jones, 54 Coal miner
Ann, 48
Elizabeth, 22
George, 22
Richard, 19
James, 15
Samuel, 13
Mary, 13
Catherine 8

All b. Chirk
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 17:34 GMT (UK)
Sorry, Sandra - it does look as if it's the one you found.  The witnesses to the marriage are George Jones and Harriet Davies - sibs of Mary and Robert.

GRO Marriage ref will be Q2, 1857, Corwen, 11b, 693

Why would they be at Castle Mill  and then moved  back.

Now I can go celebrate my birthday !

Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 17:57 GMT (UK)
Mary was baptised 17 July 1837, Chirk

Mary, daughter of Richard and Anne Jones, collier.

PS  and brother/twin Samuel on the same day. Record  brackets them as Twins in marginal note.

Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 18:07 GMT (UK)
Must add this:

In the 1841, the Jones family were living next door to my 3 x grt grandfather, Thomas Par(r)ish, in Black Park, Chirk grt

HO107/1399/1/7/7

 :D
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 18:12 GMT (UK)
Looks as if there might well be a link to my ancestors ~

A Richard Jones and Ann Ellis, married in Chirk  on 5 April 1823
The witnesses were William Parish and Susannah Davies
William is possibly my 2nd grt grandmother's brother.

Add = Ellis does seems correct as  the birth reg  for Catherine , 8, on the 1851 census shows  her mmn as Ellis

Chirk - Bpt 11 April  1842, Catherine d of Richard (collier) and Anne Jones, Black Park


Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 February 23 18:29 GMT (UK)
Maybe ~

Chirk baptisms
March 10 1802  Ann d of Richard  Ellis and Catherine
Title: Re: Davies family Wrexham
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 February 23 18:40 GMT (UK)
Thank you both for your efforts I really appreciate what you have found so far, it is helpful, and to know that the 1861 census has bits missing- I'll stop looking.
Not knowing the area makes it difficult.
I'll check the marriages that you suggest
 :) thank you

Thank you very much.  Delighted to be able to help.  It's great to knock down those brick walls.
Sorry the 1861 seems to be missing but your mystery was solved without it. 

Regards
Sandra  :)