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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Kelotrbrbr05 on Wednesday 01 March 23 23:02 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information on Jospeh Hunter born 1820 in Aberdeen. Mothers name is Sarah Jackson. Sometime in his early years he moved to Ireland. Any information whatsoever would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Lori Hunter Colburn
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Can't find any obvious information.
What is your source of the information that he was born in 1820 and that his mother's name was Sarah Jackson?
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The only Joseph Humter b 1820 Aberdeen I can see is on a Family tree on Ancestry - parents Alexander & Margaret nee Henry
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The only information I have is from handwritten family documents. Also all of the US Census from his children show different places of birth, from England, Scotland and Ireland. I do know that the church with all of this family's documents burned down in Northern Ireland. Not sure where else I can find information. He owned land and then lost it. I tried to look for land deeds but nothing and not sure I looked in the right area. This is all around Londonderry, Ireland. The early 1800's are hard to find information. UGH
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I don't quite follow - if
this is all around Londonderry
what is your evidence that he was born in Aberdeen?
Can you tell us please what each US census says about his age and birthplace? Also, if any of his family members were born in Scotland, their ages as well.
Also, what religious denomination was he?
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My Great Aunt did this research back in the 70's and 80's. So I have her documents that he was born in Aberdeen. Other than that I can't find anything. One son's census say that Joseph was born in England, Mother (Rebecca) in Scotland and the son (also Joseph) was born in Ireland. Another son (Hugh) put that both were born in Ireland.
My Great Aunt's documents says Joseph Sr. was born in Scotland. Most of the other censes from Nebraska says Joseph Sr. was born in Ireland. I found one Joseph Hunter born in 1820 in Aberdeen but wrong parents name. Also Hugh put that he was born in the US but he was actually born in Ireland. Hugh was on the ship with his mother that arrived in the US. So since Hugh lied, I'm not totally sure what year he was born.
I do know that Joseph owned land in Dungiven, Ireland but signed a note for a friend and he ended up loosing that land. So that is why he decided to come to the US. I found the ship that my Grandmother was on with her kids. So I know they left from Londonderry on that ship.
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Who were the children that were born in Ireland?
Is this the family showing here www.findagrave.com/memorial/26336184/joseph-hunter
Monica
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So you don't actually have an original primary source document saying that he was born in Scotland, never mind Aberdeen?
Have you actually found Joseph himself in a census?
Experience tells me to be wary of the findings of great-aunts who took an interest in the family tree in the middle of the 20th century :)
I inherited a lot of papers from one of mine, but I think she had just been copying anything and everything she came across that mentioned a particular surname that had been bestowed on her as a middle name. I have certainly never managed to sustain the link she thought existed between that surname and a very interesting and genuinely historic event.
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They are on the censuses. I can't link to an entry on FS, but from the transcripts:
1881, in Salem, Kenosha, Wisconsin:
Joseph Hunter 59 farmer b. Ireland
Rebbecca Hunter 54 b. Ireland
John Hunter 21
Maria Hunter 17
Henry Hunter 13
1871, in Salem, Kenosha, Wisconsin:
Joseph Hunter 50 farmer b. Ireland
Rebecca Hunter 44 b. Ireland
William Hunter 15
Mary Hunter 13
John Hunter 9
Maria Hunter 7
Henry Hunter 3
Monica
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...I found the ship that my Grandmother was on with her kids. So I know they left from Londonderry on that ship.
Is this the shipping manifest entry you have:
Departure Place: Londonderry, Ireland
Arrival Date: 7 Dec 1853
Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Ship: Envoy
Rebecca Hunter, 25
Sarah A., 10
Robert, 8
Joseph, 6
Martha J., 4
Hugh, 9 Months
Likely Joseph Hunter came out ahead of his family to start their life there.
Monica
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They are on the censuses. I can't link to an entry on FS
I got them on FS. They are both quite faint but both say that both Joseph and Rebecca were born in Ireland.
The 1880 also says that both sets of parents were born in Ireland.
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I would go with Irish birth places for them both on balance.
Monica
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I would go with Irish birth places for them both on balance.
Yes, I agree, unless Kelotrbrbr05 can come up with a primary source saying either Scotland or Aberdeen.
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Is this the shipping manifest entry you have:
Departure Place: Londonderry, Ireland
Arrival Date: 7 Dec 1853
Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Ship: Envoy
Rebecca Hunter, 25
Sarah A., 10
Robert, 8
Joseph, 6
Martha J., 4
Hugh, 9 Months
Just a possibility, but a Sarah Ann Hunter was born on 2 September 1843 and was baptised on 1 October 1843 in Drumachose Presbyterian Church in Limavady, County Londonderry. Her parents were recorded as Joseph Hunter and Rebecca George of Ballyquin.
Ballyquin townland:
https://www.townlands.ie/en/londonderry/keenaght/carrick/fruithill/ballyquin/
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Could you help me with where to find that census for Joseph and Rebecca (George) Hunter. thank you so much for your help.
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From a transcript, a Rebecca George was baptised in Bovevagh Presbyterian Church on 27 February 1822, with a given birth date of 10 February 1822. Her parents were recorded as Robert George and Sarah Miller of Derryork, north of Dungiven according to the following:
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/keenaght/bovevagh/gelvin/derryork/
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/keenaght/dungiven/gelvin/derryork/
Just a possibility.
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Again just some possibilities.
The 1831 Ireland census fragments show these folk in Ballyquin:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Kenaught/Balteagh/Ballyquin/3/
And these folk in Derryork:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sv9/
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Again just some possibilities.
The 1831 Ireland census fragments show these folk in Ballyquin:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Kenaught/Balteagh/Ballyquin/3/
And these folk in Derryork:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sv9/
So rare to see an example of the 1831 census being used.
The loss of the 19th century census returns was beyond tragedy.
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Is this the shipping manifest entry you have:
Departure Place: Londonderry, Ireland
Arrival Date: 7 Dec 1853
Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Ship: Envoy
Rebecca Hunter, 25
Sarah A., 10
Robert, 8
Joseph, 6
Martha J., 4
Hugh, 9 Months
Just a possibility, but a Sarah Ann Hunter was born on 2 September 1843 and was baptised on 1 October 1843 in Drumachose Presbyterian Church in Limavady, County Londonderry. Her parents were recorded as Joseph Hunter and Rebecca George of Ballyquin.
Ballyquin townland:
https://www.townlands.ie/en/londonderry/keenaght/carrick/fruithill/ballyquin/
I am a little wary of the entry showing a 25 year old Rebecca with a 10 year old daughter on the shipping manifest. This means that she would have been 15 when she married. This did happen of course. A father's consent would have been required.
I wonder if
1 there has been a transcription error mistaking a 3 for a 2,
2 that Rebecca, if the 1822 certificate is correct, would have been older than her husband and has adjusted her age accordingly.
3 her husband has been married previously and the oldest child, at least, is his child by a former wife who has died.
The differences between the manifest and the children listed on the Findagrave records is worth investigating
Sarah, Robert and Martha do not appear yet they arrived with Rebecca George Hunter. Joseph does appear and his birthdate seems to tally with the manifest. Hugh does appear but his date does not tally with the manifest. He is shown as being born in 1853 (presumably in Ireland) on the manifest but 1851 on the Findagrave record.
I wonder if there were two families. Joseph being the only one of the first family who kept in touch
Then again Sarah is the name of Rebecca George Hunter's mother so perhaps an early marriage was possible or that Rebecca was born on 1822 rather than 1828.
Perhaps Sarah, Robert and Martha had died after arriving in the US. Though I note Joseph had a daughter Martha born in 1877.
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Again just some possibilities.
The 1831 Ireland census fragments show these folk in Ballyquin:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Kenaught/Balteagh/Ballyquin/3/
And these folk in Derryork:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sv9/
So rare to see an example of the 1831 census being used.
The loss of the 19th century census returns was beyond tragedy.
Yes it was. Though two families, ancestors of my maternal grandmother are there. From the same area in Co Derry.
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Blimey, I am SO EXCITED that you found that information! Could you please tell me what site you went to, to be able to find this information? I have been searching for over 10 years for this information. I would love to learn more about how to search correctly. Your help has been invaluable.
Thank you again,
Lori Hunter Colburn
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If you are referring to the Census details here is the link
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
If you click on the down arrow you can find links to the dates of various censuses where there are records.
:)
I see Gaffy has already given you the links.
I looked at Findagrave.
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ok, I went to the link for the baptismal records. I only find a search engine and NOT an exact way to see the records. I am so sorry for my confusion. I went to the Drumachose Presbyterian Church and there is not a link for any ancestry records.
When you are on the information page, could you copy the https:// line so it will take me right to that page.
I so appreciate all of your help.
Lori
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I cannot help you with the records of the Drumachose Presbyterian Church.
I note from this page (from Proni's guide to searching church records) that some/all are searchable at Proni (they are annotated P in the attached and a reference is given)
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide-to-Church-Records-October-2019.pdf
If you go to this link you will see the records at PRoni that can be searched
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/guide-church-records
It downloads to an excel spreadsheet and you will need to scroll or 'find' the Presbyterian records. I would search in all the records around Limavady/Londonderry. My ancestors were Presbyterians & mine were known for moving from one one congregation to another, 'disputatious', about matters of church lore and biblical interpretation.