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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: Meggiejayne on Friday 28 July 23 12:39 BST (UK)
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Could anyone help me with locating a 1871 census return for Matthew please?
I have found him right from his birth to his death in1933 but nothing for 1871.
Thank you
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Where was his marriage and what was his occupation?
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1871 3344 /76/3
Matthew ‘Bellmew’ 17 yrs is a servant in the Evett household, Boston
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Yes I agree with heywood.
1881 he is Mathew Belamey 26 born Conninsby
Marriage is on FreeREG 17 Oct 1875 Lincoln, Father JOHN a Farm Bailiff (deceased)
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Lied on M/C :)
BELLAMY, MATHEW HOLMES -
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in HORNCASTLE UNION Volume 07A Page 448
Burial;
29 Apr 1860, St Edmund, Sutton St Edmund
SARAH Bellamy age 36
Just added as looked at Tree that doesnt have the burial.
Just in case you dont have this;
Richard BELLAMY, Widower, married Susanna HARRAD a Spinster, 13 May 1811, St Michael, Billinghay
Elizabeth Bellamy a witness**
*** likely to be this Elizabeth in 1841 Census
Elizabeth Bellamy 60 Independant
Susannah Bellamy 55 Farmer
Mary Bellamy 25
Richard Bellamy 25
Susannah Bellamy 20
Sarah Bellamy 15*****
Burial same Church
RICHD Bellamy 03 Oct 1828 age 39
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Where was his marriage and what was his occupation?
He married Sarah Ann Pask on 11 October 1875 at St Swithian (?)
Occupation wise I cant decipher his occupation in 1881 (see attached)
I will look up that 1871 Census...thank you
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1871 3344 /76/3
Matthew ‘Bellmew’ 17 yrs is a servant in the Evett household, Boston
This I dont think is him, as the birth place is wrong. He was born in Coningbsy.
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Where was his marriage and what was his occupation?
He married Sarah Ann Pask on 11 October 1875 at St Swithian (?)
Occupation wise I cant decipher his occupation in 1881 (see attached)
I will look up that 1871 Census...thank you
There is already a thread running here about the 1881 occupation
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=875010.msg7467200#msg7467200
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Wrong thread!
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From memory occp 1881 is a Groom
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From memory occp 1881 is a Groom
See the other thread (link in reply #7)
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From memory occp 1881 is a Groom
Yes it is. I eventually found him on the 1891 Census and he is a groom on that one.
Still unable to find a 1871 entry for him. I even tried searching the address of 4 Drury Lane as that is his address from 1881 onwards but unfortunately not in 1871, which I doubted anyway. He is just proving to be very elusive in 1871 at the moment. He is visiting in 1861 so that doesn't really help with a location to search for.
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1871 3344 /76/3
Matthew ‘Bellmew’ 17 yrs is a servant in the Evett household, Boston
This I dont think is him, as the birth place is wrong. He was born in Coningbsy.
As that place name was duplicated from the entry above and added later by the enumerator I would not be discounting it as your Mathew. Have you tried disproving that it is him, can you find another Mathew that would fit that person in other census.
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1871 3344 /76/3
Matthew ‘Bellmew’ 17 yrs is a servant in the Evett household, Boston
This I dont think is him, as the birth place is wrong. He was born in Coningbsy.
Perhaps to consider:
His birthplace is dittoed under the previous person.
I can’t see another Matthew Bell* born that time anywhere.
Snap with Rosie :)
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1871 3344 /76/3
Matthew ‘Bellmew’ 17 yrs is a servant in the Evett household, Boston
This I dont think is him, as the birth place is wrong. He was born in Coningbsy.
I've been unable to find him anywhere else and doing a search of just the 1871 census only throws up around 19 entries. His birth year is correct but the birth place, as I've said is wrong by a long way.
I've only found 1 other Matthew Bellamy and he's born 1868 I think. There is another much earlier one that is his uncle. I havent looked for MB's born in Saltfleetsby (?) but I guess thats a starting point.
As that place name was duplicated from the entry above and added later by the enumerator I would not be discounting it as your Mathew. Have you tried disproving that it is him, can you find another Mathew that would fit that person in other census.
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His marriage certificate is on FindMyPast
He married 17 October 1875 at Saint Swithin. marked with an x both of them
Witness Charles Goodman and Mary Pask they could write.
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You have put your reply in the quote before my reply to you :)
1871 3344 /76/3
Matthew ‘Bellmew’ 17 yrs is a servant in the Evett household, Boston
This I dont think is him, as the birth place is wrong. He was born in Coningbsy.
I've been unable to find him anywhere else and doing a search of just the 1871 census only throws up around 19 entries. His birth year is correct but the birth place, as I've said is wrong by a long way.
I've only found 1 other Matthew Bellamy and he's born 1868 I think. There is another much earlier one that is his uncle. I havent looked for MB's born in Saltfleetsby (?) but I guess thats a starting point.
As that place name was duplicated from the entry above and added later by the enumerator I would not be discounting it as your Mathew. Have you tried disproving that it is him, can you find another Mathew that would fit that person in other census.
I've been unable to find him anywhere else and doing a search of just the 1871 census only throws up around 19 entries. His birth year is correct but the birth place, as I've said is wrong by a long way.
I've only found 1 other Matthew Bellamy and he's born 1868 I think. There is another much earlier one that is his uncle. I havent looked for MB's born in Saltfleetsby (?) but I guess thats a starting point.
You need to be looking at all Mathew Bellamy's born Lincolnshire around that time and discounting them
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His marriage certificate is on FindMyPast
He married 17 October 1875 at Saint Swithin. marked with an x both of them
Witness Charles Goodman and Mary Pask they could write.
I have this information from a descendant of Matthew. However she doesn't have him in 1871 either.
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Rosie99
I started a search last night and I can't find any other Matthew Bellamys (or derivatives of) that were born in Saltsfleetby in that year. This morning I'm going to do a general search for Matthews born in Lincolnshire in 1871 and slowly rule them out. If none of these prove fruitful then I guess the servant in Boston is my great x3 uncle.
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1871 3344 /76/3
Matthew ‘Bellmew’ 17 yrs is a servant in the Evett household, Boston
This I dont think is him, as the birth place is wrong. He was born in Coningbsy.
Perhaps to consider:
His birthplace is dittoed under the previous person.
I can’t see another Matthew Bell* born that time anywhere.
Snap with Rosie :)
I did similar searches to that which you intend to do with no sightings. :-\
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1871 3344 /76/3
Matthew ‘Bellmew’ 17 yrs is a servant in the Evett household, Boston
This I dont think is him, as the birth place is wrong. He was born in Coningbsy.
Perhaps to consider:
His birthplace is dittoed under the previous person.
I can’t see another Matthew Bell* born that time anywhere.
Snap with Rosie :)
I did similar searches to that which you intend to do with no sightings. :-\
Thank you, so it looks like his birthplace could be an error and this is possibly my Matthew? His sister is in service in Boston at the same time and he was a witness at her wedding so there are definitely links there.
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It was just dittoed so no written birthplace for him.
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Finished my search and I can't find any other Matthew Bellamys born at that time in Lincolnshire. There are a few dotted about the country but they pan out through the Census returns as remaining in those areas.
So I think that we can assume that the Matthew with Frederick Evertt, innkeeper in Skirbeck is probably my Matthew and the enumerator hasn't put his place of birth down. Could be that Matthew wasn't around when they called and the person giving the details wasn't aware of where he was born I suppose.
Thank you once again for all the help in helping me sort this out. I never would have considered that entry if you hadn't have found it and suggested I dig further.
Thats now 4 of Sarah Bellamy's 5 children all accounted for through the Census Returns and from birth, through marriage and onto their deaths.
There is only Ann Rebecca Holmes Bellamy that is still proving tricky. I have her birth in 1858 in Sutton St James, then Census Returns of 1861 (in Coningsby) and in 1871 (in Wigtoft) both times with family members.
I've yet to find anything after 1871. I've looked for further Census entries, marriages and deaths but have yet to find anything.
Any help with this would be much appreciated. Thank you.