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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: noland01 on Friday 01 September 23 15:10 BST (UK)
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Helping a person compile their family tree and we have gotten stuck on a direct ancestor.
Details are sparse but I think we have the correct wife from 1901/1911 Irish census plus marriage entry.
Person in question is William Casey.Below are what details we have so far.
Married April 1899 Dalkey Dublin to Elizabeth Behan.His fathers name is given as Thomas Casey.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10381/5779526.pdf
Could find no likely birth entry that would fit.Nothing apart from the marriage entry.No deaths that might match .As regards his father find a death entry of a Thomas Casey which is a possibility perhaps
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05729/4616912.pdf
Family lore says he was a soldier and the dates would suggest Boer War.
His wife is,we think, the Lizzie Casey on the 1901/1911 census below.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Kildare/Kildare_Barrack/1440696/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Ballybrack/Gorteen/537702/
Again not definite.We think this may be her birth entry below from 1873.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03175/2164532.pdf
His wife states married in 1901 and widowed by 1911(again assuming we have the correct person). We couldn't find her husband anywhere on 1901 census (her daughter Mary is living with grandparents here in 1901 )
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Lackagh/Crossmorris/1435239/
Looking at Boer War stuff see a few William Casey deaths/missing but details are sparse and nothing jumps out.
Apologies for the long post but anyone any pointers,ideas or maybe we are on the wrong track and perhaps have mixed up some people.
Have found death entry for Elizabeth Casey nee Behan along with marriage entry for her daughter Mary Casey and we know these are the correct ones.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1952/04477/4174525.pdf
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First thought:
I see that William and Elizabeth were married in a Catholic church. Unlike civil marriage certificates, Catholic marriage records from this time usually include the mother's maiden name, which could prove very useful.
Here is the church in which they married:
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0512
It says that the registers are held in local custody. Perhaps it is worth sending an email?
Queenie :)
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I was hoping his death would be in the local newspaper, no joy, but I did find Thomas Casey, Brownstown fined 5 or 6 shillings and 4 shillings costs for being in possession of property of the military.
Printed Wednesday 16 March 1901 about the previous Wednesday
You can search the Kildare Observer free http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/#panel=home
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If he was a soldier in barracks, he would be under his initials only on the 1901 census.
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Thomas was a soldier. As such his son William could have been born almost anywhere in the world (literally) - Britain, India, Egypt.....
Never been clear to me - do the irishgenealogy.ie entries include the overseas military and naval entries in the original printed GRO indices?
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Multiple "W. Caseys" are recorded as receiving the South Africa medal for service in the British Army in the 2nd Boer War.
Several of these can be pretty much eliminated on the basis of improbable rank or regiment. Which leaves a chap in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers; a private (another, a corporal, is unlikely because of his rank).
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Ancestry moved all the military records to Fold 3, yes?
My grandfather served in the 2nd Boer War and I found about 20 pages for him, while the records were still on Ancestry, he was also in the RDF.
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Thanks for the replies.Have found a WJ C ,an armourer,married ,aged 37 on 1901 census but he is C of I which is not impossible but unlikely.Also a soldier W C but aged 64 so again highly unlikely and also on marriage in 1899 the William Casey I think is the correct one gives profession as labourer.
Possible he may have been posted overseas by this time.Also the possibility that the family lore is incorrect and perhaps he decided to do a runner/emigrate for work etc etc.
Will stay looking.The William Casey,private looks the most likely if the man I am looking for was in British Army.
Must have a look at the William Casey
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Could find no likely birth entry that would fit.Nothing apart from the marriage entry.No deaths that might match .As regards his father find a death entry of a Thomas Casey which is a possibility perhaps
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05729/4616912.pdf
Thomas Casey is described as ‘married’ on his death. Have you found his wife?
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I was hoping his death would be in the local newspaper, no joy, but I did find Thomas Casey, Brownstown fined 5 or 6 shillings and 4 shillings costs for being in possession of property of the military.
Printed Wednesday 16 March 1901 about the previous Wednesday
You can search the Kildare Observer free http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/#panel=home
Is this the same Brownstown?
1911 shows a Margaret Casey, widow in Brownstown. :-\
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Ballysax_East/Brownstown__Great/542863/
There is a death but Margaret Casey described as married.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1928/04953/4347382.pdf
She should be in 1901 though and I can’t see her.
I think she might be too young also.
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I was having a look at her but didn’t get anywhere, however there is this Ellen Casey
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Ballysax_East/Ballysax_Great/542777/
This looks like her death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05188/4432915.pdf
Military Sergeant’s widow but if the 27 years married is correct looks to late for William.
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I think that the Thomas Casey death may not be the right man.
I thought I was on to something as Margaret Casey is described as sister to Thomas Miller.
Also in 1911, there is a jockey, Thomas Casey b Scotland living closeby.
I then found a birth in Scotland, Thomas, 1885, with mother Millar and following this up, there is a family at
1891 567/67
Aldershot
Thomas Casey 28yrs Private Royal Scots b Scotland
Margaret Casey 29 yrs b Scotland
Their children, including Thomas b 1885. There is a baby son William, just a few months.
I think this is likely to be the Brownstown family.
Added- baby William has mmn Miller
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I was having a look at her but didn’t get anywhere, however there is this Ellen Casey
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Ballysax_East/Ballysax_Great/542777/
This looks like her death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05188/4432915.pdf
Military Sergeant’s widow but if the 27 years married is correct looks to late for William.
Thanks for that.
For some reason didn't see that entry previously.
States 7 years married on 1911 census but see a number of people who put length of marriage as from wedding year to death of spouse.
If ,and its a big if,she is wife to Thomas Casey who dies in 1901 and 27 years married till his death this would leave them marrying c.1874.
On his marriage entry William Casey is full age as is Elizabeh Behan .Elizabeth was born 1873 so ages would be similar if "my" William is son of Thomas and Ellen
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Didn’t see her marriage in Kilcullen Parish, unless it’s earlier. I think I just did the 1870s
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Ancestry moved all the military records to Fold 3, yes?
My grandfather served in the 2nd Boer War and I found about 20 pages for him, while the records were still on Ancestry, he was also in the RDF.
No, not all.
Some basic US and UK military records are still on Ancestry. Those include medal lists and service records.
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See a Thomas Casey marries an Anne Rorke in the Curragh Camp 7th February 1869 .This is on the bounds of possibility if Thomas was born 1850/1851 which would only differ a couple of years from death entry.
Looking at Curragh Camp Register there are numbers after many of the mens names.Assume this is their regiment ?
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Looking at Curragh Camp Register there are numbers after many of the mens names.Assume this is their regiment ?
Yes
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See a Thomas Casey marries an Anne Rorke in the Curragh Camp 7th February 1869 .This is on the bounds of possibility if Thomas was born 1850/1851 which would only differ a couple of years from death entry.
Note that Thomas' father was named William. So seems like a good fit.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11410/8190577.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11410/8190577.pdf)
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See a Thomas Casey marries an Anne Rorke in the Curragh Camp 7th February 1869 .This is on the bounds of possibility if Thomas was born 1850/1851 which would only differ a couple of years from death entry.
Note that Thomas' father was named William. So seems like a good fit.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11410/8190577.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11410/8190577.pdf)
Quick look at Naas district finds no births to that couple 1868 - 1880 that I could find.If his regiment moved then possible for children to have been born elsewhere in Ireland or overseas .
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There is an Anne Casey to Thomas and Ann Rourke in Athy but he’s a writing clerk
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02883/2056662.pdf
It’s possible he could have been finished in the army by then
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See a Thomas Casey marries an Anne Rorke in the Curragh Camp 7th February 1869 .This is on the bounds of possibility if Thomas was born 1850/1851 which would only differ a couple of years from death entry.
Looking at Curragh Camp Register there are numbers after many of the mens names.Assume this is their regiment ?
I wrote in reply #11 that I didn’t think that the Thomas Casey death was your family’s death. I can’t see the family in 1901 but there is likely evidence to connect Margaret Casey from Brownstown to him and the Thomas Casey living in Brownstown in 1911 who may be their son.
As their son William was b 1890/1, this would exclude that death of Thomas from your searches.
What do you think?
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Is this daughter Mary’s marriage?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09243/5345714.pdf
William is deceased but his occupation - labourer.
William is a labourer on the three records you have - his marriage, his daughter’s birth and her marriage.
Might it be that the couple separated soon after the marriage?
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Is this daughter Mary’s marriage?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09243/5345714.pdf
William is deceased but his occupation - labourer.
William is a labourer on the three records you have - his marriage, his daughter’s birth and her marriage.
Might it be that the couple separated soon after the marriage?
Thats the correct marriage.
Its very possible the couple separated very shortly after her birth and the army part was just a story spun to explain it away.
I know its not definite but Lizzie says she is married in 1901 census although she,her husband and her daughter seem to be living separately.I am unable to find William in 1901 census.
By 1911 she says widowed.Looking for a death that might fit again unable to find a likely suspect.
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What is his address on marriage?
It looks like ‘Shrade Lane’ but I can’t find that.
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I think it means Shraud Lane. :)
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I think it means Shraud Lane. :)
Thank you :)
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I should have said why... :) There is a 1908 local newspaper reference to 'Shraud Lane'. Also, when I google 'Shraud Lane', I get back a reference on the Kildare County Council website 'Derelict Sites Register' to properties called 'Fairview Cottages, Shraud Lane, Kildare Town'. Elsewhere online, those same properties (with photo) are described as on Shraud Street.
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I see Shraud in 1911 but it is transcribed as Strand in 1901 - even though the enumerator’s page shows Shraud.
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I see Shraud in 1911 but it is transcribed as Strand in 1901 - even though the enumerator’s page shows Shraud.
Just one Casey family there in 1901 .Denis Casey and Kate Hogan were married in Kilkenny 1890 and his father is listed as Denis Casey.
Again thanks for all the help and interest shown.