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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: dunscore on Thursday 21 September 23 03:39 BST (UK)
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For some time I have been trying to find information as to who Le Roy Taunton de Guerin married. In S.A. Genealogy it appears he married Ruth Ethel Tomlinson on 26 October, 1926 in St. John's Church, Adelaide. He had two daughters, now both deceased.
However, his headstone reads that he "died in Myrtle Bank (Adelaide, S.A.) on 10 September, 1946 aged 60 years. Loved husband of Elizabeth and father of Ruth and Joan".
The only account of Leroy on SA Genealogy is his marriage in October 1926. He was apparently born in Adelaide on 1 April, 1886 but no birth is shown. His parents were Harry Robin and Alice Mary.
So, my question is, did Leroy marry twice? Or was his wife Ruth Ethel or Elizabeth Mary (both surnames being Tomlinson).
There is a death on SA Gen. for an "Elizabeth Ruth" who died 20 Feb. 1971 aged 70. The relative who apparently gave the information, was Leroy Taunton de Guerin (DH). District was Port Adelaide.
I would be very grateful if someone could figure all this out for me please, as I am completely baffled!
I have also seen his name shown as "Guerin" without the "de".
Dunscore
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His death notice says husband of Ruth Ethel, and daughters Ruth and Joan.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/93122588
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The death notice also says ex 43rd batt, 1st AIF. His army record has not been digitised as far as I can see, it may contain additional information about his family.
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His ww1 army record is in Ancestry
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Thanks neale, here they are under "GUERIN".
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=4391883
Interesting that the police report of his death to the coroner does not mention his wife. It does have a statement from his sister Irene MacINDOE.
Electoral rolls show him with Ruth Ethel in 1943, though not in 1941 or 1939.
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The only account of Leroy on SA Genealogy is his marriage in October 1926. He was apparently born in Adelaide on 1 April, 1886 but no birth is shown.
This would be his birth:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sob/
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Thanks Maddys, I was checking for de Guerin for birth. As I said, he shows up both with/without the "de". If Ruth Ellen was his wife, then why does his Gravestone at West Tce. Cemetery, show his wife as Elizabeth? His daughters are shown as Ruth and Joan though and the date of death is correct.
Perhaps it might be worthwhile applying for a transcript from SA Genealogy of both his marriage and death.
I could not see that Ruth Ellen remarried (she possibly d. in 1971) (as apparently did "Elizabeth Ruth")!! I only have Ruth's marriage to Le Roy Taunton Guerin. No birth for her either, unless she was born in W.A. in 1899 with parents Peter and Hannah Tomlinson!! It is certainly a mystery!!
Perhaps Le Roy and Ruth parted company and he then had an "Elizabeth" as a long time partner, hence her name being on his headstone.
Dunscore
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I have tried looking for a death for Ruth Ethel de Guerin. As she possibly died in Port Adelaide area, I checked a number of cemeteries but only found two with that surname (minus the de) but none of them seem to be related. Both Le Roy and his wife (whichever one she was) seem to be a bit mysterious). Ruth Ellen Tomlinson was certainly a wife, but for how long??
I couldn't find the statement from his sister Irenee Macindoe (she was Le Roy's eldest sister) or the police report of Le Roy's death to the coroner. Presumably there were suspicious circumstances.
Dunscore
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article35755586
Death Notice from The Advertiser
de GUERIN. —On September 10, at Myrtlebank, Le Roy Taunton de Guerin, of 160 Carrington street, City (ex-43rd Batt., 1st A.I.F.), dearly beloved husband of Ruth Ethel and loving father of Ruth
and Joan. Aged 60 years.
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And funeral notice
DeGUERIN.—The friends of the late Mr. LeRoy Taunton DeGuerin, late of 160 Carrington street, City, are respectfully informed that his remains were removed from The Funeral Home, 217 Port road,
Hindmarsh, and privately interred in the A.I.F. Cemetery, on Thursday last, 12th instant. Canon H. H. Coles officiated. R. H. MOUNTFORD (ex-A.I.F.), Undertaker. 211-221 Port rd., Hindmarsh. L5944.
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Birth
GUERIN Le Roy Taunton
1 Apr 1886
Father Harry Robin GUERIN Mother Alice Mary TIPPETT
At Adelaide Ade 372/271
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If he did marry a second time, you would need to apply online at
https://bdm.cbs.sa.gov.au/bdmsaonline/dbnet.aspx?prprc=OAH
Marriages are available to 1948 and cost $30.25
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I couldn't find the statement from his sister Irenee Macindoe (she was Le Roy's eldest sister) or the police report of Le Roy's death to the coroner. Presumably there were suspicious circumstances.
Sorry, the police report is on Ancestry. There were no suspicious circumstances, from memory he had a stroke, can't look it up again at the moment, Happy to send you a copy later this evening. I'll send you a pm. :D
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I think there was only one marriage and possibly some confusion about his wife's given names and her age when she died. It would appear that her exact date of death was not known. Family wouldn't have placed the headstone at the cemetery either.
DE GUERIN Le Roy Taunton 40 years Status Single Father Harry Robin DE GUERIN
TOMLINSON Ruth Ethel 30 years (Born c1896) Status Single Father Peter William TOMLINSON
27 Oct 1926
At St Johns Church Adelaide Ade 309/338
DE GUERIN Elizabeth Ruth 70 years (Born c1899)Status Widow Relative Leroy Taunton DE GUERIN (Deceased Husband)
20 Feb 1971
Residence Croydon Park Death Place Croydon Park PtA Symbol I* 118A/1552
Symbol I = Indefinite Death Date Registered such as about 20 Feb 1971
They appear to be living together in 1943 however being enrolled at an address is no guarantee of residence at that date.
There was an admission to RAH in 1941 for a Ruth GUERIN, 13 year old student with address Seacliffe. This was possibly for the elder daughter. No further details unfortunately.
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Hi I have had a look at the Saville Index of The Advertiser Funeral Notices on the SA State library site
there is a record for
De Guerin Elizabeth Ruth 06-Mar-1971
may I suggest that you contact the SA State library asking for a copy of the notice. I have contacted them on a couple of times asking for copies of death notices published in the Advertiser , with wonderful results.
https://savill.collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/#.
Cass
maybe the notice might help solve the mystery
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Thank you to all for information. I did notice that Ruth, the 13 year old had been admitted to the R.A.H. and was there for 9 days, but no mention as to why.
Ruth Ethel Tomlinson appears to have been born in W.A. to parents Peter William and Hannah Matilda, but I have put "to be confirmed" on my Tree! It was certainly Ruth Ethel who married Le Roy Taunton de Guerin in Oct. 1926.
I have searched the surrounding cemeteries for her resting place, with no luck, so will contact the S.A. State Library today re her funeral notice. Thank you for that advice. Le Roy is certainly in West Terrace Cemetery with a Commonwealth War Graves headstone.
Thanks again,
Dunscore