RootsChat.Com
Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: jrainbrim on Thursday 21 September 23 17:44 BST (UK)
-
Hello. I am trying to track down a census record for a family called Tallbot. Son Denver/Hulbert born in 1920, father Albert, born 1900 in Britain and mother a native Blackfoot indian. No idea of year born. Albert is a trapper.
The family lived in Brooks Alberta until the early 1940s. Albert died in 1925. Denver and his mother lived with a relative after that year. Denver left Canada without his mother to work as merchant seaman on ships and stayed in Wales until death.
Please note I have all records for Denver's life in Wales.
Thank you.
-
Canadian censuses are not available for that period
Denvers death reg shows him as Denver Hullbot Tallbot b 28.8.1920
Was Albert b Cardiff? If so - surname for him is Talbot - one L
EDIT
A tree on Ancestry shows Albert was b 1894??
-
deleted
Denver Hullbot Tallbot - 28 August 1920 - July 1973 (aged 52 years)
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep Mid Glamorgan Glamorganshire
Volume 8b Page 285
probate -
Denver Hullbot Tallbot Death Date 7 Aug 1973 Fach Wern Tarw Pencoed Bridgend Glam
Probate Date 24 Oct 1973 Probate Registry Llandaff
Sandra
-
Canadian censuses are not available for that period
Denvers death reg shows him as Denver Hullbot Tallbot b 28.8.1920
Was Albert b Cardiff? If so - surname for him is Talbot - one L
EDIT
A tree on Ancestry shows Albert was b 1894??
We think England.
-
I’m guessing that you haven’t found the family in a 1920 or 1921 census? Was Denver a family name? It’s a bit unusual. If it wasn’t a family name could it have been a place name, such as Denver, Colorado?
-
Denver married in 1951 in Glamorgan
The 1939 register has around 40 entries for the christian name Denver which surprised me - one b 1872 but most born from 1900 onwards
-
Denver married in 1951 in Glamorgan
The 1939 register has around 40 entries for the christian name Denver which surprised me - one b 1872 but most born from 1900 onwards
My ancestor’s sister, born mid-1700s in Sussex, England, was named Philadelphia. I believe there were several girls in that area who were also named Philadelphia at the time. I suppose some names became a fad during certain times.
Thank you for finding the details, Carole. I won’t spend too much time looking for the family in Colorado. ;)
-
jrainbrim, are there any other details, no matter how small they might seem, that you can give us to help us find the family members, please?
Added: in what context was Brooks mentioned? Where was it mentioned that Albert died in 1925 (which might lead us to where he died). Perhaps Denver and his mother lived with her relative, or should we be looking for a Tal(l)bot family member? Are there any details about his trapping such as in what province (or U.S. state) he worked? Etc.
-
They lived in Brooks - Alberta - Canada - not the US. Can't see an incoming passenger record for Denver so don't know when he arrived in the UK - but obviously before 1951
Where did you get Alberts birthyear & birthplace from? How old was he when he died in 1925?
-
They lived in Brooks - Alberta - Canada - not the US. Can't see an incoming passenger record for Denver so don't know when he arrived in the UK - but obviously before 1951…
Right, but since I hadn’t yet found him in Brooks, Alberta or Canada, I widened my search. I thought I would “wander down” to Colorado in case Denver was born there, and after the birth, the family settled in Brooks. ;D
Since we don’t have sources of how the details were obtained, I thought that I would check out the possibility of some of the facts not being spot on. I was told by family members that a paternal ancestor was Guillaume who was born in France, lived for a very short time in England and then immediately settled in Canada. I’ve yet to find Guillaume or a French birth, but I did find James (and his descendants who were also named James). My ancestors lived in England at least 115 years before sailing to Canada. Unless I have sources, my “Canadian” searches tend to roam around North America in hope of eventually finding individuals.
Thank you for clarifying, though, Carole. It’s helpful when we point things out to each other; I think it makes researching more enjoyable when we try to help each other. (And, apologies for the confusion; I do have a tendency to do that to others. :-X ;) )
-
I’m guessing that you haven’t found the family in a 1920 or 1921 census? Was Denver a family name? It’s a bit unusual. If it wasn’t a family name could it have been a place name, such as Denver, Colorado?
I don't have access to Canadian records.
-
I’m guessing that you haven’t found the family in a 1920 or 1921 census? Was Denver a family name? It’s a bit unusual. If it wasn’t a family name could it have been a place name, such as Denver, Colorado?
I don't have access to Canadian records.
You can view Canadian census returns, births, deaths, etc. here (no fee website)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/
-
I was told that Denver's father died when he was 25, Denver was 5. So 1925.
Denver's uncle, mother's brother, took them in. Apparently this man was cruel and when Denver was older, late teens to early twentys, he stood up to his uncle, a knife was produced and this is when Denver left home for good.
Denver told his son, my friend, where was born etc. Brooks Alberta, to an English but possible Scottish man and a Blackfoot indian woman.
-
One can also view Canadian censuses for free on the Library and Archives Canada website. All censuses are available except 1931 which is still apparently only accessible through Ancestry for the time being.
Link here….
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/pages/census.aspx
I have looked for the family in the 1921, 1926, and 1931 censuses without success so if they are in Alberta they seem to be very well hidden.
jrainbrim, do you have a full maiden name for the mother?
PB
Modified to add a correction about access to the 1931 census…one can browse it for free through the LAC website…
https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Census/Index1931
-
No My friend was never told
-
Not searchable but browseable, the Alberta Death Index (PDF files) show an Albert Chas. Talbot died in Calgary in 1929.
https://provincialarchives.alberta.ca/how-to/find-birth-marriage-and-death-records/death-indexes
-
Not searchable but browseable, the Alberta Death Index (PDF files) show an Albert Chas. Talbot died in Calgary in 1929.
https://provincialarchives.alberta.ca/how-to/find-birth-marriage-and-death-records/death-indexes
Obit for the guy above ?? Might not be the one you are seeking ?
Calgary Herald
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Thu, 13 Jun 1929 Page 2
https://www.newspapers.com/article/calgary-herald/132275216/
Sandra
-
Yes, I just found his Find-a-Grave as well, so not the right guy. Not seeing another Albert Talbot that fits so perhaps Albert not the right first name?
-
This could be one of those where information passed along is not quite correct. None of us have turned up any record for the family so far :-\
Sandra
-
If the OP is a descendant, have you tested DNA? If mother was native, it will show up in the results. If not, we can rule out one part of the story.
-
Find reference to a 32 year old "Canadian" Denver Hulbert Talbot of Main Road, Banwen, Neath being charged in an accident in the Merthyr Express on 22 November 1952.
-
Hi,
There is/was a Brooks weekly newspaper called The Bulletin. You can try an email to them to
see if Albert or Denver appear in any editions.
https://brooksbulletin.com/archives/
DB
-
Find reference to a 32 year old "Canadian" Denver Hulbert Talbot of Main Road, Banwen, Neath being charged in an accident in the Merthyr Express on 22 November 1952.
That's him
-
I think you have to consider that he's using an assumed name ... no sign of him prior to his 1951 marriage. Assume that's where you got his father's name? While there are Talbots in Bow River electoral district in both the 1921 and 1931 census, nothing that matches what you have. The Blackfoot reserve is enumerated using their native names with only a few English names listed. Has your friend done his DNA?
-
I don't like to ask. He's of a faith that I have to be a bit careful what I ask.
I think the same as you though in that Denver changed his name.
-
I think you have to consider that he's using an assumed name ... no sign of him prior to his 1951 marriage…
I don't like to ask…I think the same as you though in that Denver changed his name.
I believe all family “facts” and family stories have a ring of truth to them (if they aren’t actually true). However, for the family not to be found, so far, in any documents makes me believe that possibly details were either unintentionally or purposely muddled.
To state that the family lived in Brooks seems quite possible; being so specific about his birthplace, when he lived so far away, has a ring of truth. However, was his father truly born in England and was he really a trapper (I think that was mentioned early on). Quebec (Canada) has been brought up as possibilities I believe; I’ve also run across Talbots from Quebec but have discounted them because of his supposed birthplace.
…Denver told his son, my friend, where was born etc. Brooks Alberta, to an English but possible Scottish man and a Blackfoot indian woman.
If Denver’s details cannot be found, would you feel comfortable asking your friend if his father had an “unusual” accent or used unusual words? Even if he lived in Wales for a long time, he might have still retained his accent, or regional phrases/words, from his early years. Could any words indicate an English or Scottish upbringing? I’ve lived in California a long time but periodically people will question my speech (using a word like serviette tends to confuse people).
-
Also, given that the Blackfoot nation reserve is very close to Brooks lends credence to the original story. However, not finding them in the 1921, 1926 or 1931 census is troubling.
-
Also, given that the Blackfoot nation reserve is very close to Brooks lends credence to the original story. However, not finding them in the 1921, 1926 or 1931 census is troubling.
I wonder if it is possible that the family didn’t continually reside in one place, but periodically lived among Denver’s mother’s people when Albert was trapping (and somehow missed being recorded on census returns, vitals documents, etc.)?
I once believed that an ancestor was an only child because there was no mention of siblings. We (with amazing RootsChat help) eventually found out that she had quite a few siblings. Did Denver have siblings who remained in Canada? :-\ Although Albert was young when he supposedly died, Denver could have had one or two siblings who just were not mentioned.
-
I didn’t thoroughly search, but I didn’t see any reference to Albert or Denver:
http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/index.html
-
Also it would seem to me that he was likely in the military which is how he ended up in the UK without showing up on an incoming passenger list. if so, obtaining the service record (if he's been deceased for more than 20 years) is worthwhile, but it does take quite some time to receive it.