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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: yelkcub on Friday 15 December 23 12:12 GMT (UK)
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I am interested (for a rather complicated reason) in JAMES DARKING born in HAVERHILL in or around 1790. James worked as a croupier in the notorious London gambling club, Crockfords. His colleague was my ancestor Henry Page, whose mysterious origins I have been working on for quite some time.
In 1828 one of Henry Page's sons was given the unusual middle name HAVERHILL. If I can get a handle on why this name was chosen, it might give me a clue to unlock more of my ancestor's life details. If any list member has come across any information on James Darking, I'd be very interested, and grateful to be able to share it. I realise that Darking is not an uncommon name in Haverhill.
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Marriage;
23 Apr 1816 St Mary, Haverhill
James DARKING to Mary ARCHER
(FreeREG)
Possibly related;
Marriage same Church 12 May 1835 William PAGE, Widower to Elizabeth DARKING
Trish :)
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Thank you for your contribution, Trish末all details help.
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Just added a little more :)
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James Darkin bp.13/5/1792 Haverhill, son of Thomas and Mary.
Annette
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Thank you, Annette. I'm more and more convinced that this is the Jamaes Darkin who was a feared croupier at the hazard table at Crockfords. I don't have a birth date for my ancestor Henry Page, who in accounts of Crockfords is always named alongside James Darking. There are two versions of Henry's age at his death in 1851: one says 'about 60' and the other 66. Either places him clost to JD's age.
Looking at likely JD deaths末one in 1844 (Camberwell) and one in Risbridge 1855. I'll see if I can find anything further.
I think you would agree that 'Haverhill' is an odd name to give a child, suggesting a connection between Henry Page and the place (or person?) of that name.
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I can find no trace of a Henry Haverhill Page born 1828. Where has this information come from?
Annette
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Sorry about the ambiguity: Horace Haverhill Page was born 1828, and christened in December at St James, Westminster, one of the sons of Henry Page whose family lived on Jermyn Street at the time. In the 1841 census the Page family lived in Bury Street, and Horace's name is hard to decipher. In 1851 Horace migrated to South Australia with tow or three of his brothers. The name 'Haverhill' doesn't crop up anywhere else in Page family records.
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Hello
Elizabeth Darking who married William Page in 1835 was James's daughter bapt 18 June 1816 (born 16th)
William was a weaver who seems to have died 13 oct 1837 Haverhill age 35. he had been married before to Susanna Poole Widow 25.12.1830. He and Elizabeth had one child together before his death William 18.1.1836.Elizabeth went on to have more children James 1840 ,Mary 1843 ,John 1845 and Dick 1848 all as a widow with no father apparent.In 1841 she is living with her parents at Haverjill Burton End.
James 50 labourer,Mary 55 ,James 15 ,Rebecca 10 ,Sarah 5,Elizabeth Page 25 and James 1.
James Darkings death is the one in 1855 ,Burial 23.12.1855 age 72 born 1783 which is a bit out with the baptism you have but I think that's the right one.
William Page's death seems a little out on his burial too as the only baptism I can see is 11 Feb 1810 s of John and Frances Page nee Bye who married at Brinkley 31.7.1809.John is also a weaver.
Grandparents are Henry and Sarah Page nee Crackling married Haverhill 24 Dec 1786.
Children John 1788,,Maria 1797 ,Sarah 1799 ,Mary 1801 and Susan 1805.
As you can see there is a gap 1788-1797.It would fit nicely for you Henry born c 1790.
Any thoughts?
ps Mary Archer was James's second wife ,he was a widower in 1816.He married first Sarah Chapman at Helions Bumpstead 12 Feb 1813 .Groom from Haverhill.son Edward baptised age 3 at Presbyterian Chapel Haverhill 21.7.1816.Sarah buried 25.1.1815 age 26.
Ciderdrinker
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Thanks for this, CD. There's a lot to go through here. Of special interest is the fact you point out that there was a Darking /Page connection.
My ancestor Henry Page is found in the census of 1841 and 1851 (just before he died). In the 1851 he reports his birthplace as Charlwood, Surrey. Via various sources末legal documents mostly末i found that he had several siblings, all but one of which I have traced. I have the siblings' baptismal records but can find none yet for Henry.The parents of Henry's siblings were Thomas Page and Susan(na) Middleton. Thomas and Susanna, though hailing from the Medway area of Kent, did indeed spend some time in Charlwood, where two of their children were christened.
Whether the William Page you have found, who married Elizabeth, daughter of James Darking, has any connection to 'my' Page line is something I'll look into carefully.
Thanks again.
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Forgive me but how do you know that James Darking, croupier in London, came from Haverhill?
The baptism I found at Haverhill in 1792 would appear to be the chap in Haverhill in 1841 and 1851 who was just a labourer and appears to have spent his life there! I don't think he was the croupier in Crockfords, London - surely James Darking, croupier was someone else of the same name?
Annette
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Good evening, Annette
Well, I think your discoveries about the life and occupation of the Haverhill James Darking do indeed show that I have been pursuing the wrong man. I think I must have become overexcited, in looking for possible JDs, by the Haverhill connection. I've had quite a lengthy break from my Page family research. I am still convince that if I can get close to why my ancestor Henry Page gave his son that tantalising and bizarre middle name, it might help me solve the several mysteries that have impeded my reseearch.
Thanks for your interest末and that of the other correspondents末and sorry about taking you along with me 'up the garden path.'
Ian
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It may just be as simple as him having a friend with the name Haverhill.
In my Tree I have a Elizabeth Louttid Leggett.
Mary Leggett nee Newby had a Sister who married a Louttid and that is how simple it was.
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Hi Trish
You're perfectly right of course, the name of a friend of Henry Page, a wider family connection, or someone who had furthered his interests. Henry is an interesting person, hard to pin down and in many ways my 'brick wall'. One of his sons was financed to migrate to South Australia, set up in a good shipping business ... seemingly in return for marrying a woman of, shall we say, shadowy background. The sponsor was a Duke, an aristocrat, a family story that research tends to validate.
Horace was the only one of HP's children to be given an unusual (i.e. non-family) name. It only now occurs to me that he was the first Horace, too. Perhaps I ought to be looking for a Horace Haverhill?
Thanks for your reply.
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Looking back at the notes I made years ago when first trying to solve this mystery: Horace's elder brother (James, the one who was set up in business in South Australia) named his house (now heritage listed) 'Haverhill House', further indication that the name was important within the Page family. Later in the 19th century one of James's grandsons was christened Horace Averil Page.
The plot thickens (again)