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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: hostile17 on Sunday 04 February 24 14:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I was wondering if anyone could help me trace James Edward Jackson, estimated birth is Q4 1868 in Bangalore, India.
His wife's name was Kate, and in the 1901 England census they were living in Arnold, Nottinghamshire, with their 3 children, George Henry (aged 4), Rebecca (aged3) and Elsie (aged 1), he was working as a general labourer
In the 1911 census the family are still in Arnold but Elsie has died and James is listed as born in Manchester, he is working as a Miner (road maker)
By 1921 James and Kate only have Rebecca living with them and James is listed as born in Basford, Nottinghamshire and working as a coal hewer at Gedling Colliery
Any help in finding his birth record, passage out to India or back to England, marriage record or death record would be appreciated, Thanks
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James Edward Jackson, estimated birth is Q4 1868 in Bangalore, India.
Where has that come from please?
The birth registrations of the children should show mothers maiden name - where were they born? **
** Mothers maiden name GRAY for the girls but
George Henry Jackson Gray is registered Jun 1897 with no mothers maiden name so presume before they married.
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Marriage Dec 1897 Basford
James Edward Jackson
Catherine Gray
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Are either James or Kate on the 1939 register? **
There is a James E Jackson death in Nottingham in 1941 age 71
** think he is widowed by 1939
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Hi Milliepede,
the birth of James Edward Jackson comes from the 1901 census which states born in Bangalore. India.
I cant find them yet on the 1939 register, a couple of possibilities don't quite fit.
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hmm, the link you found to the surname Gray suggests 2 marriages within the Jackson / Gray families
James's son George Henry Jackson married Lily Gray, they ran a chip shop on Carlton road in Nottingham.
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The James/Catherine marriage certificate should give the name/occupation of his father which might give a clue as to the Indian connection. If he really was born there, pity it doesn't appear on any other census.
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Possible death for Kate - Mar 1936 Basford age 67 which would tie in with James being a widower in 1939.
Burial Redhill Cemetery Arnold Nottinghamshire
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According to the 1921 census James was born in Basford
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1921%2FRG15%2F15898%2F0349&parentid=GBC%2F1921%2FRG15%2F15898%2F0349%2F01
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There's a family tree with the same marriage/register/death I have suggested - unless it is yours someone else has come to the same conclusions!
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James's son George Henry Jackson married Lily Gray,
Am not seeing that marriage. The family tree has 2 children for them but no marriage listed.
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thanks for all that info
In regards to the George Henry Jackson and Lily Gray marriage, i have yet to find the marriage but they had 6 children, on the records for 5 of them Lily is listed as Jackson but 1 lists her as Lily Gray.
What you found on Catherine / Kates death seems to fit.
I will have to put James's marriage certificate on my long list of documents to be sent for, if only to tell me what his fathers name and job were.
I want to believe James was born in India but with the surname Gray / Grey coming into things i have a nagging feeling that one of his parents may have been Romany.
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The birth registrations for the children of George & Lily should have her maiden name.
Which records do you have for them, birth certificates?
I only know the two listed on the family tree but no Gray maiden name for them that I could see.
Maybe Phillips but that may have been a different family.
We don’t know when James came to England which is frustrating. He could be here in 1891/1881/1871 census with family but not enough info to find him for certain.
Hope your list isn’t very long, I want to find out as well!
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I wonder if George might have used the surname Gray when he married (or Jackson Gray?) - with Lily being Lily Fowell Peet b 1900 Nottingham. I think the family uses the surnames Jackson Gray in 1921 :-\
Marriages Jun 1918
Gray George H J Peet Nottingham 7b 688
Peet Lily F Gray Nottingham 7b 688
Kay
Added - I noticed a baptism for son George on 29 Aug 1920 at Sneinton with surname listed as Jackson-Gray on the image but the transcription incorrectly lists the mothers surname as Gray
If the above is OK the first four children appear to be registered with mothers maiden name Peet :-\
GRAY, CLARICE JACKSON mmn PEET
GRO Reference: 1922 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 608
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That’s very interesting Kay.
George was born as George Henry Jackson Gray as parents were unmarried at the time.
So I think the Gray surname purely comes down from Catherine not from Lily as well would you agree?
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Yes - Yesterday I spent ages looking for a birth reg for Clarice (from the 1939 Register)without success to solve the marriage issue and this morning after finding the 1918 marriage it started to make sense
Kay
Added - it doesn't help that some of the transcriptions of the children's baptisms list Lily's maiden name as Gray which doesn't appear on the image
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thanks both of you for the info
I got the digital copy of Rebecca Jackson's birth, she was born 17th May 1898 at Portland street, Arnold, Nottingham. Her father is listed as James Edward Jackson and mother as Kate Jackson (formerly Gray).
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Definitely making progress. I wonder if anywhere has the 1897 marriage information to save you getting the certificate......there are some Nottingham marriages online. Perhaps theirs is somewhere too.
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Just looking at Kate for background.
There is a Kate Gray who is a domestic servant in Arnold Notts in 1891.
She is with family in 1871/1881 if that was her and had a sister Rebecca and father George to link the names with her own children.
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Kate Gray birth Jun 1869 Chesterfield district - mothers maiden name Dove
Marriage Dec 1864 Chesterfield district - George Gray & Frances Dove
Likely but would need to double check this is the right Kate.
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thanks milliepede,
I'm trying to find a GRO reference number for James and Catherine's marriage, just to cut down on the cost of ordering the certificate. I really want to know who his father was and to see if the India birth is true.
Its a shame marriages aren't available as digital images, it would be so much cheaper and faster, without a GRO number it is 15 days for dispatch of a certificate then 2nd class post times, plus the cost is £14 rather than £11 (if GRO number known).
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For Catherine i found a baptism on 7th December 1873 at St Peters, Nottingham. Father Edwin Grey (trade - butcher) and his wife Mary Ann.
There is also a birth record for Catherine Gray, Oct - Dec 1873 Vol 7b page 316
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I think the Kate Gray you found in the 1891 census is the right one, the greyhound pub on Nottingham road is in Arnold, Nottingham.
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James Edward Jackson and Catherine Gray's marriage certificate has been ordered, estimated despatch date 13/02/2024 so hopefully it arrives by the end of next week.
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Oh well done for ordering the marriage. Yes it is a shame digital images aren’t available.
Free BMD index gives the reference numbers you need to order certificates as you have probably found. Please do let us know what it says in due course.
I think that other Catherine Gray with father Edwin married someone else, Fox or Foxwell from memory, but will see what your Kate’s father’s name is when the marriage arrives to know which one she was.
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Both James and Catherine seem not to be able to decide where they were born, either way i will solve the mystery. Her father will be one or the other and James's fathers name may help pin down his birth.
Thanks for all the help, of course i will update here as soon as soon as i know something
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Definitely making progress. I wonder if anywhere has the 1897 marriage information to save you getting the certificate......there are some Nottingham marriages online. Perhaps theirs is somewhere too.
It is a registry office wedding
James Edward Jackson
Catherine Gray
Marriage year 1897
Register Office 685
Reference RO/55/008
Place Basford
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Thanks Rosie. certificate has been sent for on GRO, thankfully with their reference number so shouldn't take too long. Hoping James's fathers profession is something that indicates whether James was born in India or not.
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Looking forward to the next post