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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: JuneNZ on Sunday 25 February 24 07:26 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for a date of death for Alexander Jardine in Annan, DF. He married Jemima (Jamesie) Calvert on 23 November 1829 (SP) and she was alone in the 1841 Census noted as a Widow. Would there be Death records for Annan during this period? Or perhaps a good Jardine Family Tree site? Nothing coming up on Scotlands People or Ancestry. I calculate that Jemima would have been aged about 42 at the marriage date. :) Regards, June
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The 1841 entry has Jemima Jardine aged 45 - widow. How do you know this is the right Jemima?
SP has an 1808 birth in Canonbie for a Jemimah Calvert. When was Alexander born?
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Her death cert in 1855, aged 64, has Alexander as Widower and what looks like (Deserted )
Attached a snip for interpretation.
Gadget
add - others on the page have deceased and not widow/widower.
Add2 - I've asked for handwriting help.
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I read it as book seller "deceased"
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Realised it could be "sock seller"
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I don't think you read what I said.
I said, the other entries on the page have Deceased marked clearly without widow/widower. This one is Widower and then ?Deserted . There is no mention of Deceased in the entry.
See this example of Deceased. You can't have Widower who is deceased!
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This is a snip from the married col showing the other entries. The Jardine one is the bottom entry
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I'm finding it hard to see it as anything other than Widower and Deceased. Might it mean that Alexander was a widower when she married him, then he died before she did?
As it's 1855, the certificate should give a list of the couple's children. Can anything be deduced from that about who was alive and when?
Incidentally, it looks more like Book than Sock - compare the 'S' in Seaman above. And wouldn't a sock seller have been described as a Hosier?
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Nothing in the family column, Arthur. I've not come across the spouse described as widower on Scots death certs previously, unless they are the widow/widower of the deceased. They were either alive or dead - i.e. widow/er or deceased not both.
Deceased and Deserted have a similar form and this entry is not as clear as the others.
It could be that he had deserted her but the informant didn't know whether he was alive or not so entered both??
So far no deaths found but, if he was a sock/hosiery salesman, he could have been anywhere in SW or the borders :-\
Gadget
Add - Informant was her sister in law, Mary Calvert.
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Hi, am I correct in thinking this is Scottish? If so I would get them to rescan on check the certificate. I had one I thought was a name. Actually said, previously married, name unknown!
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1841 Census she describes herself (in occ col as Widow)
1851 -do- as hosier's widow
Nothing in the Scottish burials, 1829-1855, but only a small % are recorded.
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Thank you all for taking the time to consider this couple.
I believe that it was Jemima Calvert born c1787. The Mothers maiden name on the death record was Hinnel,her place of birth was Pillethill (Pellethill near Hoddom), she had lived in Annan 18 years. Age at death 64. This information relies on the knowledge of the person reporting the death.
My GG Grandfather Francis Calvert, Innkeeper at Dalton DF parents on his death record were Margaret Hennel who is buried in St Kentigerns Graveyard with two of her Calvert Children detailed on the headstone and James Calvert. His wife was Mary Hammond.
Mary Calvert nee Hammond was from Yorkshire, I believe it could be her that was the sister-in-law reporting the death, perhaps her Hennel/Hannel sounded like Hinnel? The Hennel/Hannel family were from Cowthat, Tundergarth area.
The 1851 Census has Jamsie (for Jemima - like Elizabeth and Betty?) Widow of a Hosier. Born at Hoddom.
I will ask for the Scotland People record to be rescanned. My thanks everyone for your time. Perhaps someone in the future will have the knowledge about the Annan records and the Jardine family tree :) Regards, June
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Another question! She was buried at Hoddom Old Graveyard - was this St Kentigerns? Hoddom New seems to be at the shell of the Hoddom Church.
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It definitely says Widower, Book seller, (Deceased). Perhaps anything unexpected is the result of this being the first year of statutory registration. The registrar might have been told that she was his second wife, but the informant did not know the name of his first wife.