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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: slewis on Wednesday 20 March 24 15:40 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am looking for Charlotte Austin born in 1853 Upton cum Chalvey, Buckinghamshire, her parents were Willian Henry Austin and Jane.
I do know at some point Charlott or the family went to New Zealand.
Charlotte married Henry Butcher born 1854 Wallingford, Berkshire, now I have found Charlotte and Henry in New Zealand but I can not find a marriage there or in Engand
I have no idea when Charlotte or Henry left for NZ
If any one can help I would really appreciate it.
Kind regards Sue
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Charlotte married Henry Butcher born 1854 Wallingford, Berkshire, now I have found Charlotte and Henry in New Zealand but I can not find a marriage there or in Engand
Do you mean they are shown as husband and wife somewhere?
What is the last sighting of her in England?
If they had children when and where was the first one born?
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Hi yes they are married when I found there graves in NZ but I am having no luck with the NZ records
Kind regards Sue
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She is 13yrs old on the 1871 census so born 1858 not 1853
EDIT
Ignore above - enumerator has put one of the slanting / “counter figures” in front of the 3 making her 13 😡😡
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Freebmd has a marriage in the Dec qtr 1871 Eton to either Henry Goddard or Reuben Gamble. Have you already ruled it out? Could the Butcher marriage be a second marriage?
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I am assuming that this is the Charlotte to whom you refer?:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170715558/charlotte-butcher
Someone (OP?) has uploaded a copy of both her death certificate and her probate to her page:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170715558/charlotte-butcher/photo
Her death certificate gives an estimated year of birth of 1854, but her parents are not listed; their names are left blank.
It states she was born and married (c.1873) in Exton, England and that she came to New Zealand in approximately 1873.
How do you know that she is the Charlotte baptised in 1853 in Upton cum Chalvey? Is there another document that has more information?
Queenie :)
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Charlotte was with her parents in 1861 and 1871 at Upton cum Chalvey. There is a marriage Dec qtr 1871 Eton RD between a Henry Goddard and a Charlotte Austin. :-\
Possible death for her father
Death Mar qtr 1875
AUSTIN William age 51 Eton 3a 390
Her mother
Death Mar qtr 1911
Austin Jane age 80 Eton 3a 512
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Re my reply 4 - have you already ruled out the 1871 marriage? No Goddard/Austin children born up to 1880 which could indicate emigration
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Hi
Sorry I didn’t get back to you I found Charlotte baptism on family search and I didn’t see the 1871 marriage .
I had not found the probate record that does confirm the names of her children I just could not find them when I checked the NZ births
It may be just me but it’s not as easy to find records in New Zealand, but thank you all for your help
Kind regards Sue
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You could rule out the 1871 marriage one way or the other but it would mean buying a copy of the marriage cert
The NZ obit for Charlotte Butcher says she died 1929 but doesn't give any age or origin. A tree on Ancestry has her born Feltham and living in Sussex in 1901!!
What documentary evidence do you have that Charlotte Butcher was nee Austin & was born in Bucks
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If we assume the Goddard is correct….(and I am NOT saying it is, but worth thinking about)
There are these births in NZ
Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Mother's Given
Name(s) Father's Given
Name(s)
1874/22591 Goddard Amelia Charlotte Henry
1876/11719 Goddard Williamina Charlotte Henry
1878/8730 Goddard Alice Charlotte Henry
1880/8481 Goddard Harry Charlotte Henry
1883/4838 Goddard James Charlotte Henry
1885/9296 Goddard Mary Jane Charlotte Henry
And then just these Butcher births
1893/5645 Butcher Charlotte Charlotte Henry
1890/12672 Butcher Cicilia Charlotte Henry
1888/19182 Butcher Thomas Charlotte Henry
Which if it was them, means a name change between 1885 & 1888
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Alice Goddard b 1878 fits age wise for Alice White the wife of George Frederick. Alice died 1959 age 81. See NZ cem record set.
And Millicent Wood (address unknown) in the probate could be this marriage
1893/4040 Amelia Butcher Septimus Henry Wood
(Find a grave https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t2j/)
Added to say…perhaps commonly known as Milly? Which would explain the Millicent.
James Goddard. Born 1883
James Butcher died 1917 age 34
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST19170518.2.19?items_per_page=10&query=Butcher+winton&snippet=true&title=ME%2cOSWCC%2cSOCR%2cST%2cWSTAR
(It is James’ daughter who is the Dolly Wallace of the probate (actually Madre/Madra Dolorosa)
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Sarah Ann Warnock’s death?
1943/19481 Warnock Sarah Ann 70Y
I can’t find a birth for her. I wondered if she was the Williamina b 1876, but age at death seems too far out.
On the other hand, cannot find a death for Williamina
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Where do you see the Wallingford information?
Do you have a child’s birth certificate?
“Exton”, on the death cert, is in Rutland
There is an 1872 marriage there of a Charlotte Austin to an Edward Mapperson in Rutland
I have to leave this for now, but can that Charlotte be ruled out?
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Thank you so much ladies
for all this help I am sorry I am not being much help .
I would not have made a connection with Godard I was just looking for butchers, but you ladies I don’t know how you do it.
This has all come about through DNA matches and their small tree’s I have been trying to double check before I go down the wrong root.
Thank you all again kind regards Sue
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“Exton”, on the death cert, is in Rutland
There is an 1872 marriage there of a Charlotte Austin to an Edward Mapperson in Rutland
I have to leave this for now, but can that Charlotte be ruled out?
I suspect this could be Charlotte’s death
MAPPERSON, CHARLOTTE 31
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in BOURN Volume 07A Page 223
Added…so that rules her out as a contender for Charlotte BUTCHER
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Hi I am really sorry I just don’t know, I don’t think it is, and to be honest I think I am wasting all you ladies time.
Kind regards Sue