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Title: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: Simon1a9 on Thursday 21 March 24 19:19 GMT (UK)
She was a married shopkeeper and had an ailment for one and a half years, but what was it?
Can anyone please help me make this out?
Thanks!
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 March 24 19:20 GMT (UK)
Phthisis - pulmonary TB
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: Simon1a9 on Thursday 21 March 24 19:43 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much.  I had never heard of phthisis before.
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 March 24 19:50 GMT (UK)
It was an old name for TB as was Consumption.  Hard to get your tongue round the pronunciation😂
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: Andrew C. on Thursday 21 March 24 19:51 GMT (UK)
For how long was TB a major issue? So many people seemed to die from it.
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: Zefiro on Thursday 21 March 24 20:01 GMT (UK)
It was an old name for TB as was Consumption.  Hard to get your tongue round the pronunciation😂

True, but once you've tried a few times, you'll always remember the word and recognize it wherever it's written ;)
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 21 March 24 20:02 GMT (UK)
For how long was TB a major issue? So many people seemed to die from it.

The vaccine wasn’t fully developed until 1921.

This piece https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3749764/. Says TB was responsible for 1 in 4 deaths in the 19th century. I believe it got worse then with industrialisation as people crowded into cities and lived and worked in very crowded conditions.

I don’t know how old you are, but I can remember seeing a few old signs on the sides of buildings and other odd places that said “do not spit”.  This was part of attempts to prevent spread.
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: Tickettyboo on Thursday 21 March 24 20:34 GMT (UK)

I don’t know how old you are, but I can remember seeing a few old signs on the sides of buildings and other odd places that said “do not spit”.  This was part of attempts to prevent spread.

Plus, of course, its just plain not nice (footballers please note!),

Boo
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 March 24 20:35 GMT (UK)
I remember the testing for TB in school back in the 1960's.   The "jelly test" was the original way but then it was a circular multi point injection.  In both cases if the area was "raised" after a few days it indicated you had been in contact with a TB sufferer & probably had a built in immunity.   You were then sent for a chest x-ray

No raising & you had to have the TB jab.  I watched several of my class faint while having it
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: Ray T on Thursday 21 March 24 20:58 GMT (UK)
I’ve never managed to get my head round the school TB testing in the 60s. If I remember correctly, I had the first injection, in the forearm, twice. Whilst the other brats were running round comparing the size of their “lumps”, the injections never gave me the slightest reaction and I was neither sent for an x-ray nor given a further inoculation.
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: MollyC on Thursday 21 March 24 21:21 GMT (UK)
The circular test is known as the Mantoux test.  Mine did not react so I had the vaccination, known as BCG.  A very long needle.

My father was diagnosed with TB in 1949.  He was lucky to be one of the first to be treated with streptomycin.  One lung was collapsed for weeks, daily injections, then the other lung.  He was off work for 8 months, but recovered and lived another 40 years.
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: Viktoria on Thursday 21 March 24 21:42 GMT (UK)
My eldest son tested positive after a routine school test in Belgium.
We were so worried, but our lovely GP Explained it all, it did not mean he had it but had  been in contact one way or another but good diet and living conditions ,fresh air etc he had not really got a full blown infection.
We all had to be tested .
The Dr. Suggested he had drunk unpasteurised milk from a cow not TT Attested .
Belgian people thought pasteurised milk had lost all its goodness so got it straight from the farm!!!!
He often went to his Belgian school friends’ homes,had coffee etc.

Two of my mother’s sisters died from it, the death certificates mention Haemopthysis, ie coughing up blood which of course came out of their mouths ,most distressing to say the least .
Early 1900’s.
Many composers had it ,Chopin for example .
It supposedly heightens sensations , many composers reputedly had it, but what music they gave us!
Viktoria.
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: MollyC on Thursday 21 March 24 22:18 GMT (UK)
An interesting recent thread was essentially about tracing the complicated origins of someone who died of TB in 1943, for his daughter who is now aged 90 and has little memory of him.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=880113.0

In the 1939 register he had sent his family from London to Luton, but remained behind himself.  At some unknown date he went into hospital in Luton.  His burial is still unknown.
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: Andrew C. on Thursday 21 March 24 22:34 GMT (UK)
I’ve never managed to get my head round the school TB testing in the 60s. If I remember correctly, I had the first injection, in the forearm, twice. Whilst the other brats were running round comparing the size of their “lumps”, the injections never gave me the slightest reaction and I was neither sent for an x-ray nor given a further inoculation.

I don’t know if was for TB but I had the same experience I had the initial jag but there was no reaction so didn’t have the follow up I was led to believe the initial jag showed I had a natural immunity so didn’t need the second course so avoided the scar.
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 22 March 24 01:30 GMT (UK)
If either the jelly test or the circular vac resulted in no “lumps” on the site of the tests - you had the vaccination

If there were visible “lumps” on the site - then you were said to have a natural immunity & did not need the vaccination.  I was one of the latter & was sent for a precautionary x-ray which was negative.   
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: Ray T on Friday 22 March 24 08:38 GMT (UK)
I suspect that is something of an oversimplification - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantoux_test

(I haven’t studied the article in detail as I’m currently on a campsite in Northumberland!)
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 22 March 24 10:41 GMT (UK)
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I suspect that is something of an oversimplification

Back in 1960 we didn't have Wikipedia so just accepted what the TB vaccination nurses told us.  😂😂
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: antiquesam on Friday 22 March 24 14:44 GMT (UK)
I had a reaction to the test and consequently went for x-rays for a few years. I'm not sure where I came into contact. My mother insisted I had unpasteurised milk from the farm behind our house and my father spent some time in the local sanatorium. It could have been either or both.
Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: ColinBignell on Friday 22 March 24 16:11 GMT (UK)
For how long was TB a major issue? So many people seemed to die from it.

Globally, it is the second biggest cause of death from infectious disease after Covid-19. It is rarely a killer in the UK these days, but there are over 4,000 new notifications each year in the UK. I don't know the proportion today, but when AIDS first made the news, it was the cause of death of one in three people with HIV, which corresponded to the proportion of the population who carried TB in its dormant state.

Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: Viktoria on Friday 22 March 24 19:49 GMT (UK)
Improved living conditions were a major factor in cases going down.
Sadly many people from more primitive countries with poor living conditions often have it and when leaving a sunny country to live in a dampish atmosphere,by comparison , sadly with poor health generally ,they can fall victims to it.

It traditionally went  fast in young people. “ Galloping Consumption.”
Older people lived much longer ,but there were many restrictions, their own cup and cutlery ,strict hygiene regarding their coughing , handkerchiefs etc.
No boxes of tissues in those days.
It gave people a lovely bright complexion ,but that was due to low blood oxygen levels from their damaged lungs.
That is Pulmonary Tuberculosis ,it can be in bones ,glands and other organs.

Viktoria.


Title: Re: What did my great grandmother die of?
Post by: Rena on Friday 22 March 24 20:35 GMT (UK)
In the 1950s  most of my male friends were conscripted into H.M. Forces.  It was a surprise to discover during his medical examination that one of them had tuberculosis .

He didn't cough, wasn't in pain, etc. but the result of the examination meant he was shipped off to a T.B. sanitarium in the south of England where he had his own room. Every day his bed was wheeled out into the fresh air.   I think he stayed there for over a year until discharged.