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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: mickawinn on Wednesday 27 March 24 15:29 GMT (UK)
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I have just become aware of the above in my tree. He was born 1876 app in Switzerland and married Annie Elizabeth Jordan SHANNON in Kensington in 1899. I believe they had one child, Doris Elsie, in 1904. At some point they went to South Africa, I had a PO Box number in Bethal, Transvaal, for them. She died in 1925 and he died in 1968. Doris must have returned to the UK as she married Herbert BUTLER in 1974.
Can anyone point me in the right direction to find any record of their stay in SA please?
Mick
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Have you checked Family Search? It has some South Africa records for this chap. He was a teacher, according to the marriage record below.
Looks like Joseph remarried in 1926. Image here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPS1-KDJK
FS also have Probate records for him, as well.
Here's wife Annie's 1925 Death Notice, which gives her parents' names and her birthplace.
The image indicates "No children", though. ??? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPTD-BG75
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The 1974 marriage shows Doris as Isenegger-Clements. Death reg - b 17.6.1904 died 1999
Doris was b Sept qtr 1904 Hackney 1B 569
A tree on Ancestry has a marriage to Leslie Cuthbert Clements in Birmingham 1952 - no marriage found. It also has Doris dying in 1967??
Leslie Cuthbert Clements was b 1900 Totnes died 1966 - probate shows widow as Martha Prudence🙄🙄🙄
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I had Doris b Sep 1904 Islington 01b 190, married Herbert H BUTLER Sep 1974 Hove 18 745.
The death record is confusing as a0 it states no children and b) it gives her age as 55 and i had a tentative birth year of 1853. More research required.
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I had a tentative birth year of 1853. More research required.
1911 census - Annie is age 42, living with daughter Doris (age 7) in Islington.
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Leslie C Clements married Martha P Lowe in Kent in 1941. I am going to message the tree owner & direct them to this thread.
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What death record are you referring to in reply 3?
Doris Elsie Butler was 87 when she died Dec qtr 1991.
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Sorry the death record of Annie ISENEGGER.
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Marriage St Phillip's Kensington 25 December 1899
Joseph Anthony Isenegger age 23 Valet
Annie Elizabeth Jordan Shannon age 46
His Father Sebastian Isenegger - Farmer
Her father Phillip Shannon - Painter - deceased
Witnesses Andrew Jordan Shannon and Maggie Jane Agnew Shannon
At age 46 it is unlikely she had children. ADDED Born 1853 per marriage
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( born circa 1870 per death age 55 in 1925)
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The witness Maggie/Margaret Jane Agnew Shannon died 5 January 1934 of Coleridge Walk, Golders Green spinster per probate record.
Buried Herndon Cemetery.
She was the daughter of Phillip Shannon and Jane probably Jordan born 13 July 1871 Londonderry
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At age 46 it is unlikely she had children. ADDED Born 1853 per marriage
Suspect marriage age may be incorrect as daughter Doris Elsie was b 1904 - mmn Shannon
ISENEGGER, DORIS ELSIE SHANNON
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 190
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As Doris married at 70 and as Isenegger-Clements - what was her marital status on the 1974 marriage cert? Possibility she was previously married to a Clements in SA
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In 1949 a Judith Isenegger aged 21 arrived from SA - address on passenger list 23 Southfield Park Harrow
In 1952 Josef Isenegger aged 76 - accountant & Judith aged 74 arrived from SA - same address
Is this Joseph Anthony & his second wife? If so - she would have been 48 in 1926 & 50 in 1928 when Judith was born??
A tree on Ancestry shows Judith jnr married Eric Devenish & died 2017. There is a death record in Hampshire for a Judith Devenish b 1927 but I can't find a marriage in England
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Judith was his second wife.
Doris had Elizabeth Anne in 1934 but no father recorded. She and Doris both have 1939 register entries amended to show Isenegger-Clements but I also have been unable to find a marriage record.
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Elizabeth’s birth was registered as Clements - mmn Isenegger. Did Elizabeth name a father on her marriage cert when she married in 1953
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CaroleW I haven’t got The birth certificate or the marriage certificate yet.
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Reply 13 says “no father recorded”. If you don’t have Elizabeth’s birth cert - how do you know there is no father recorded?
Her birth was registered as Clements & Doris is a widow in 1939
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Image of the marriage certificate is on ancestry Annie Elizabeth Jordan Shannon age is clearly written as 46.
It does contrast with age given on the death certificate
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reply 16 refers. Thanks for the additional birth record, I found the registration in n the name of Elizabeth Anne ISENEGGER 4thQ 1934 Paddington 1a 56 and didn't see the second CLEMENTS record with the same reference. I am obtaining the certificate and her 1953 marriage cert.
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Eric (27) & Judith (26) Devenish arrived from SA 30.4.1954 with their 2yr old son. Not 100% certain if son is deceased so cannot give his name.
Son married 1974 West Midlands but no children found & tree on Ancestry shows death in SA 1998
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CaroleW Yes the son Garth died in SA in 2014.
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Judith Devenish died a month after her 90th birthday
Born 20.10.1927 died 21.11.2017 Hampshire. She was living in Wiltshire in 2003-2006 per ER's