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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Welly07 on Wednesday 03 April 24 21:16 BST (UK)
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Hello all, in need of help finding out what happens to some members of my grandfather's family
James jamieson marries Annie Mcdonald in 1897 in Lochwinnoch Scotland.
They have 6 children Agnes 1897, Elizabeth 1899, Hugh 1901, John 1904, Mary 1908 and Maggie 1910.
John dies in 1907
Maggie dies in 1933
Hugh marries Elizabeth kerr Semple in Canada 1937
Elizabeth marries Richard Kenneth Brake Canada 1935
Agnes stays in Scotland.
Annie is gone a year after maggies birth and not on the 1911 censuses where the rest of the family are living with James' mother Elizabeth.
Shes still not on the census in 1921 where family are living on factory street, Lochwinnoch.
The family story is that Annie runs off to Canada but I can't find any proof of that but possible as two children move out there
I cant find Hugh in Canada/Scotland after his wife dies in 1940
What happens to Annie and Hugh
Please help
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Elizabeth's obit in the Toronto Star - she died at Sunnybrook Hospital on Oct 23 1987. Predeceased by her husband Richard Kenneth Brake. No mention of children or siblings
RK
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Thank you, I didn't have a death for her could only find some voter registers for her after her marriage
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A possible from FindMyPast
Hugh Jamieson, born 1901, age 24, Occupation Joiner
Left Glasgow 21st May 1925, for Montreal, Quebec
Ship's Name: Marloch, A Canadian Pacific (CP) ship
Capt G Hamilton
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There is a Hugh Jamieson, age 30, Farm Labourer, on the 1931 Census in canada
Got to the Censuses -- Library and Archives Canada site. Select the "new Census Search" near the top of the page, it allows you to search all 17 censuses at the same time! Play around
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx
There are 2 Elizabeth Jamiesons' on the 1931 Census, but both are married.
From a tree on Ancestry, Elizabeth arrived in Quebec Canada in June 1923
There are about 25 Annie Jamiesons shown on the censuses, but her birth year is needed.
Have fun searching!!!
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1901 Scotland Census shows Annie as aged 22, so born around 1879:
Name Annie Jamieson
Age 22
Estimated Birth Year abt 1879
Relationship Wife
Spouse's Name James Jamieson
Gender Female
Where born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number 570
Registration district Lochwinnoch
Civil parish Lochwinnoch
Town Lochwinnoch
County Renfrewshire
Address Johnshill
Occupation Couch Maker Wood Wife
What was Hugh's actual birthdate? A Hugh M. Jamieson born March 1901 died October 1977 in Palm Beach, Florida, buried with a Elsie Kirkham in Parry Sound District of Ontario:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/261578325/hugh-jamieson?_gl=1*lgjszf*_gcl_au*MTgyNDM2MTk0My4xNzA0NzQxOTk5*_ga*NTE1MzUyMzc3LjE3MDQ3NDIwMDE.*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*ZjNjNjU0NjUtNWNhNy00NmZmLWE5ODYtNGIxYzZkYmU2YTVlLjIwLjEuMTcxMjIzODQzMy4yNy4wLjA.*_ga_QPQNV9XG1B*ZjNjNjU0NjUtNWNhNy00NmZmLWE5ODYtNGIxYzZkYmU2YTVlLjU5My4xLjE3MTIyMzg0MzMuMC4wLjA.
Name Hugh M Jamieson
Race White
Age at Death 76
Birth Date 31 Mar 1901
Death Date 25 Oct 1977
Death Place Palm Beach, Florida, United States
Voters' Lists have the couple in Parry Sound in 1968.
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When Elizabeth arrives in Canada in 1923, she indicates that her passage was paid for by her mother and is destined to her uncle J.W. Stewart in Toronto.
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Hi,
1923 Toronto Directory has John W Stewart at 17 Hanley Ave (it is in West Toronto - under the suburb of Runnymede, so at the front of the Directory, not with the City of Toronto listings)
RK
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We may have to disregard this passenger record -- the matching outbound record from Scotland indicates she is travelling with her mother Catherine and a younger child Annie. Back to the drawing board.
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Hugh Jamieson, born 1901, age 24, Occupation Joiner
Left Glasgow 21st May 1925, for Montreal, Quebec
Ship's Name: Marloch, A Canadian Pacific (CP) ship
Capt G Hamilton
Hi Welly,
The above is the correct entry for your Hugh. His passage was paid by his mother, to whom he is destined: Annie McDonald, 347 Sackville St., Toronto
His nearest relative from where he is coming from is listed as "Father Jas. Jamieson , 2 Factory St, Lochwinnoch.
These entries are typed, but handwritten over Annie entries, is Mrs, and sister. I'm not sure if he is meaning that he is going to both his mother's and sisters residence, or what...
Clip attached so you can see what I mean.
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1925 Toronto Directory - the "street" section of the directory says who is the "head" at a certain address. Betty McDonald is listed for 347 Sackville. Perhaps Annie went to live with a McDonald relative??
https://archive.org/details/torontocitydirectory1925/page/1476/mode/2up
In 1926, Mrs A McKinley is listed at 347 Sackville
RK
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1931 census - Annie McKinley born 1889 Scotland, widowed. Arrival Canada 1914. Address 347 Sackville
RK
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Here is the image - Free from Library and Archives Canada
Annie is at 347 Sackville with Betty MacDonald, and a Charles Appleby (Lodger). Betty McDonald is 26 years old and listed as step sister to Annie McKinley. Betty is born in Ontario. Interesting. Do you know what happened to Annie's parents? Who else came to Canada?
https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Home/Record?app=census&IdNumber=81826682&ecopy=e011683087
RK
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Nice work bbart and RunKitty.
1921 Census:
204 Dovercourt Road, Toronto
MacDonald, Betty, aged 21, b. Ontario, single, roomer
McKinley, Ann, aged 31, b. Scotland, widow, roomer
MacDonald, Edith, aged 36, b. Ontario, widow, roomer
Appleby, Charles, aged 24, b. Ontario, single, rooomer
(all living in the home of Mayme Taylor)
https://www.ancestry.ca/imageviewer/collections/8991/images/1921_078-e002952253?treeid=&personid=&queryId=94fa99d4-b6e0-455f-8f0b-cc33f2db3f1c&usePUB=true&_phsrc=yRe6649&_phstart=successSource&pId=2281478
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They are not noted at the 347 Sackville address in the 1935 Voters' Lists -- only Mrs. George Clark and Mrs. Conger Potter, both widows.
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Could this be Annie's second husband -- address matches 1921 Census. Toronto Star dated June 27, 1916:
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Richard McKinley's WWI attestation record gives his birthplace as Lockwinnich, Scotland.
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What was Hugh's actual birthdate? A Hugh M. Jamieson born March 1901 died October 1977 in Palm Beach, Florida, buried with a Elsie Kirkham in Parry Sound District of Ontario:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/261578325/hugh-jamieson?_gl=1*lgjszf*_gcl_au*MTgyNDM2MTk0My4xNzA0NzQxOTk5*_ga*NTE1MzUyMzc3LjE3MDQ3NDIwMDE.*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*ZjNjNjU0NjUtNWNhNy00NmZmLWE5ODYtNGIxYzZkYmU2YTVlLjIwLjEuMTcxMjIzODQzMy4yNy4wLjA.*_ga_QPQNV9XG1B*ZjNjNjU0NjUtNWNhNy00NmZmLWE5ODYtNGIxYzZkYmU2YTVlLjU5My4xLjE3MTIyMzg0MzMuMC4wLjA.
Name Hugh M Jamieson
Race White
Age at Death 76
Birth Date 31 Mar 1901
Death Date 25 Oct 1977
Death Place Palm Beach, Florida, United States
Voters' Lists have the couple in Parry Sound in 1968.
Obit for Robert Kirkham in the Toronto Star June 2 1999. Among relatives listed is (late) sister Elsie Jamison.
RK
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Wow Eileen! Excellent!!! :) :)
RK
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Toronto Star 10 Nov 1916, Richard McKinley is missing
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Thanks; however, have an issue with the 1915 marriage of Richard McKinley to Ann Bertram. Richard dies of his wounds in 1916 and is buried at Vimy.
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From Richard's WWI service file naming his father, widow and sister:
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Hi again,
Looking at his Will, he leaves money to Miss Lizzie Glen Jamieson of 204 Dovercourt
RK
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So he marries in 1915 and his wife is noted as next of kin, but doesn't leave her anything in the will?? And who is Lizzie Glen Jamieson?? -- The daughter Elizabeth born 1899 who may have been Richard's daughter and not James Jamieson's?? Ann got his pension of $80.
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Really odd! ??? ???
The Will is dated 8 June 1916. He leaves 200 pounds to his mother, 20 pounds to each of his sisters, 5 pounds to 2 great aunts, and 50 pounds to Miss Lizzie Glen Jamieson of 204 Dovercourt Road! The rest of his money is to be divided between his father and brothers.
RK
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Further along in the file, Ann's address is given as 248 Cedric Avenue, Wychwood, Toronto, changed to 204 Dovercourt with a marriage date of 23 August 1915.
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I don't know what to make of this at all ??? ???
I was wondering if Lizzie Jamieson might be Elizabeth b 1999? I wonder if Elizabeth Jamieson and Betty McDonald are one in the same (though Betty says on the census that she is born in Ontario)??? ??? ???
RK
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Richard Kenneth Brake's obit doesn't help much. He died Jan 13 1984 - the result of a car accident on Dec 24 1983. He was the president and owner of Alumaloy Casting Limited. He went by the name Ken. He had been commodore of the Toronto Sailing and Canoe Club. He was a member of the Royal Canadian Yacht Club and of the Alexandra Yacht Club. He was 82. He was survived by his wife Elizabeth. No mention of children, inlaws etc.
RK
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Ann McKinley is at the Sackville address up to the 1932 Toronto Directory, but not seeing her afterwards.
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I wonder if there is an obituary for Hugh Jamieson - died 1977 in Palm Beach, buried Parry Sound? See Eileen's earlier post with all the information.
RK
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When Elsie Kirkham's mother Blanche died in 1958, Elsie is listed as Mrs H Jamieson.
I am not seeing an obvious obituary for Elizabeth Kerr Semple Jamieson. IF this is the right Hugh Jamieson - Elizabeth either died, or divorced before 1958.
RK
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Find-a-Grave has them buried together with Elsie's death in 1996 (if I'm reading the tombstone correctly):
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/261578325/hugh-jamieson?_gl=1*1843e2c*_gcl_au*MTgyNDM2MTk0My4xNzA0NzQxOTk5*_ga*NTE1MzUyMzc3LjE3MDQ3NDIwMDE.*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*N2Y2N2I5ZDMtNWM4Zi00MDE2LWE5NjItNDg0ZmE4ZTliOWMwLjI1LjEuMTcxMjMzNzIzMi41OS4wLjA.*_ga_QPQNV9XG1B*N2Y2N2I5ZDMtNWM4Zi00MDE2LWE5NjItNDg0ZmE4ZTliOWMwLjU5OC4xLjE3MTIzMzcyMzIuMC4wLjA.#view-photo=284495822
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Seems this topic has been discussed before with Ann McKinlay being buried with Elizabeth Brake at Mount Pleasant:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=798594.18
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When Ann married Richard McKinlay, her parents' first names were correct -- Hugh & Agnes, but Bertram was her mother's maiden name.
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AHA - there you go! Well done Eileen. I think you have certainly found Annie. Likely Hugh too. I missed that other thread with lots of duplicated information. Thanks for posting that link! Looks like I couldn't find an obit for Annie in 2018 either!!
RK
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Still haven't found Annie and Elizabeth coming to Canada tho .... it would be interesting to know what name they were using ... maybe Bertram?
Good work Run Kitty!
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Good thinking Eileen. Excellent work!!! :) :)
RK
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So sorry for my late reply as not checked on here in a while and didn't get any notifications.
Hugh jamieson was born 31st March 1901 so looks like the right one. Elizabeth jamieson Annie's daughter Elizabeth i belive may of gone by Betty, she left my grandad and his siblings money when she passed , he never knew about her.
The Elisabeth name has been passed down a few generations with normally family maiden names included. No Elizabeth Glen but Glen was the maden name of james jamiesons mother and was included in some of his
siblings names.
One of Annie's sisters does turn up in Canada but I'm still going through them as one ends up in New York as well I think as well.
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Thank you all so much , I keep reading this over and over trying to make sense of it all. I have been searching for months an not turned up half of what you all did. Thank you again.
I'm starting to think that Elizabeth and Betty ate one an the same and Ann mckinley is Annie jamieson as still married to James uses mother's maiden name to marry.
One of james jamiesons sisters marries a james mckinlay in lockwinnoch in 1896 so will have to do a deep dive to see if that's a possible relation to Richard Mckinlay.
James is Marked as married on the 1921 census so not divorced or widowed hence Annie having to use a different name. Sooo much to go through
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Hi Welly07, I've read your posts under family mystery. Lots of it appears to be true. Elizabeth Brake nee Jamieson was called Betty. My great aunt. Her mother Annie was the problem. I think she may have married someone called McKinley in Canada while still married to her husband James Jamieson. He died in Kilbirnie in 1947. She would want to keep quiet about her Scottish marriage. I will re read your family mystery post again. Lots of information I don't have especially re Hugh Jamieson.
Regards Gerry
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Hiya gerry
Definitely seems she married again and lied about her age.
Will look for a John jamieson born to Hugh going from your reply on your search.
Haven't found a marriage to Elsie Kirkham yet or any kids born to him and Elsie or him and Elizabeth Semple as yet.
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Son of Hugh and first wife Elizabeth Semple Kerr (who passed away 17th July 1940)
Notice of divorce action - Believe this to be - John Alexander Jamieson and Ella (Mosher) Jamieson
The Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Mon, 25 Sept 1978
Page 59
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-ottawa-citizen/145350877/
mothers obit not sure if it has been posted on any Jamieson thread - just in case you haven't got it - (sorry haven't read thru them all again)
Edmonton Journal
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Mon, 22 Jul 1940
Page 14
https://www.newspapers.com/article/edmonton-journal/145351222/
Sandra
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Hiya gerry
Definitely seems she married again and lied about her age.
Will look for a John jamieson born to Hugh going from your reply on your search.
Haven't found a marriage to Elsie Kirkham yet or any kids born to him and Elsie or him and Elizabeth Semple as yet.
Obituary for John Alexander (Semple) Jamieson
The Chilliwack Progress
Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada
Fri, 26 Jan 2001
Page 38
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-chilliwack-progress-obituary-for-jam/145350753/
Sandra
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Wife of John A S Jamieson (for 22 years) - Esther (Huth) Jamison passed in 2017 (Peacefully at Queensway Nursing Home, Hensall on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 of Huron Park and formerly of London and Chilliwack B.C in her 84th year. Dear wife of the late John A.S. Jamieson (2001). - with photograph
Obit - https://www.haskettfh.com/jamieson-esther-huth-huron-park-formerly-london/
Sandra
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Hi Sandra thanks for all that information. After spending a while reading it I think that the Hugh Jamieson is my great uncle and John his son. Never thought they both had such a varied life.
Regards Gerry
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Sandra
Thank you so much , this is all new information I didn't have
Definitely a colourful life he seems to have led
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You are very welcome. You may find this article of interest, one of the sons, his wife and grandson of John A S Jamieson returning from Afghanistan - Member of Canadian Forces Liaison Council, had been serving as Team Leader of a mentoring team, providing guidance and leadership for the Afghan National Army (ANA) and Afghan National Police (ANP). (with a photograph) dated 30 November 2011
https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/Kelowna/67956/Fathers-return-from-Afghanistan
Sandra
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Thank you so much, I'm gob smacked at what you have found. That lush to read and look a lovely family
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On John AS Jamieson s obituary on 23/01/2001 no mention of a son called Cliff.
Could he have been a child with his first wife Ella who he divorce around 1979.?
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I think any children he had would have been with first wife Ella Mosher.
Esther Huth would have been 62 when they married in 1995. Children on obituary probably his wife Esthers.
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Ignore Cliff message just noticed Clifford is mentioned in obituary.
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I think any children he had would have been with first wife Ella Mosher.
Esther Huth would have been 62 when they married in 1995. Children on obituary probably his wife Esthers.
re-read and you will find him mentioned.
Added, You have re-read - that's good :)
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Hello .... I noticed these posts about Hugh Jamieson ... It is noted that he e=was married to an Elsie Kirkham.. Elsie is my Aunt and was married to Hugh Jamuieson that I knew as my Uncle. I have been trying to find out more about Hugh.
He was Scottish and a carpenter by trade but did not marry my Aunt Elsie until after the war in the late 1940s. I do not have exact dates. He apparently met my Aunt while working at the Small Arms Factory located in Lakeview, Ontario. They resided near the Kirkham family house in Port Credit, Ontario for a number of years. He later moved to land that was divided among the aunts and uncles on Lock Erne lake located just outside Parry Sound, Ontario. This was a summer home and he traveled to Florida each year for the winter when he passed away.
I remember one time in the mid 1960s his son came and visited him at the Parry Sound lake.
He is buried at the Loch Erne Cemetery.
He ws a very unassuming person and many times we spent time together i his workshop located at the Lake.
I have included a link to my work on family history that will include pictures and additional information on the kirkhams. Sprinkled throughout the story are references of Hugh.
I would like to know about Uncle Hugh's first marriage and son if anyone knows or has that information.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-AZU1keOru8BHIFhY15jxyF88FO4M2pI/view?usp=drive_link
I would be interested