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Title: James Carne
Post by: davegriggs on Monday 08 April 24 18:34 BST (UK)
Hi,
I am looking for any information about James Carne who was drowned in the harbour on 30 Sept 1867 and buried 05/Oct/1867 St Sampsons Parish Church. Inquest ? or newspaper report? May have been living with Mary?
Thanks
Title: Re: James Carne
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Monday 08 April 24 20:26 BST (UK)
From probate index:

James Carne, late of 85 Bankside Southwark in the county of Surrey, master mariner, deceased, who died 30 September 1867 at the Island of Guernsey were granted... to Henry Carne of 85 Bankside aforesaid, barge builder, the grandfather and guardian of Emma Carne, spinster, a minor, the daughter and only next of kin of the said deceased.

Queenie  :)
Title: Re: James Carne
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Monday 08 April 24 20:28 BST (UK)
Master's Certificate of Service states he was born in Battersea in 1819; there is a matching baptism for a James, son of Henry and Ann Carne, born on 10th December 1819 and baptised on 19th March 1820 in Battersea.

Queenie  :)
Title: Re: James Carne
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Monday 08 April 24 20:31 BST (UK)
Daughter Emma Carne baptised 12th April 1848 in Harwich; mother was Maria. Family together in Rotherhithe of 1851 census.

Queenie  :)
Title: Re: James Carne
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Monday 08 April 24 20:35 BST (UK)
James Carne and Maria Bright married on Christmas Day 1847 in Dovercourt.

Maria divorced James (marriage dissolved) in 1865 on the grounds of adultery and desertion.

Queenie  :)
Title: Re: James Carne
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Monday 08 April 24 21:16 BST (UK)
I can see James down as "master" on a vessel on the 1861 census. On the same page is a Mary Carne, born c.1831 in Portsmouth, who is down as "master's wife." Perhaps this was the lady with whom he committed the adultery?

Queenie  :)
Title: Re: James Carne
Post by: davegriggs on Monday 08 April 24 22:37 BST (UK)
Thank you Queenie
Title: Re: James Carne
Post by: davegriggs on Monday 15 April 24 08:57 BST (UK)
Correct
Mary Carne
what happened to her in Guernsey? His vessal was called SEA and he died by drowning in the harbour.
Title: Re: James Carne
Post by: davegriggs on Tuesday 23 April 24 19:28 BST (UK)
Quote from: davegriggs on Monday 15 April 24 08:57 BST (UK)
Correct
Mary Carne
what happened to her in Guernsey? His vessal was called SEA and he died by drowning in the harbour.

Her name may have been Mary Ann Edwards
Title: Re: James Carne
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 23 April 24 20:03 BST (UK)
Think this is his wife and daighter in 1861 - she may not have divorced him until 1865, but she'd already moved on

Robert Norman  30  b Bermondsey, cooper
Maria Norman   56  [36] Dress maker b Kelvedon
Emma Norman    11    Daughter b Harwich

Robert is a witness at Emma Carne's wedding

Robert Lloyd Norman, single
Maria Bright, divorced
Marriage     9 Dec 1867    St. Andrew, Peckham

Emma's future husband was a witness

Title: Re: James Carne
Post by: davegriggs on Tuesday 23 April 24 20:11 BST (UK)
Yes I have all this info, I am interested in Mary Ann Edwards who was at sea with James in 1861 down as his wife. How are you connected?