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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: ele002 on Sunday 14 April 24 14:26 BST (UK)
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In the Burial Registers for the above church, certainly in 1820/30's, most entries have a numerical annotation at the end of the entry eg 1/453. Does anyone know for certain if they are Grave numbers?
Hopefully, I've attached part of an entry with the numbers circled.
Regards, Eric
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I would think it was a grave number, unless anyone else knows better.
Shows cause of death which I haven't seen before.
LM
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Thanks.
I've come across the cause of death at quite a few places....St George, Hulme & Ardwick Cem. & others. Makes interesting reading.
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It certainly does.
LM
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If you search for George Foden, buried 1811, Salford (FindMyPast burials) it should deliver a page showing a Column headed "Grave" - with numbers.
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Many thanks for that. Seems to be a definite answer.
I thought that would be the case as I have found a few burials that appear to be members of the same family. However, when I looked for the Grave in 'Owens' MI's, the numbers in his list don't match up with the numbers in the Burial Register.
Maybe someone can offer an explanation.
Many thanks, Eric
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If the number indicated a grave why so few? Shouldn't everyone buried there have a number?
I notice on the records from 1811/12 those marked with a number in the 1st column include the comment "Grave purchased by ...". Those with a number in the end column (seem to say "in -/-) don't include a reference to purchasing.
Haven't time to check a bigger sample at the moment.
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The Graves with Numbers seem to vary page by page. On some of the pages I've looked at, most of the entries appear to have a Grave No. However, some burials appear to have been in 'Common Ground' and are shown as such. I guessed that those without a Grave No. were similar burials.
A lot may have been dependant on who was making the entries
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This is an interesting read
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Salford/ChristChurch
‘Free burials for the poor’
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Thanks Heywood. I read a similar article that referenced the Free Burials which made me think that the family I'm interested in were buried there for that reason, yet they appear to have had a Family Grave.
I haven't found a Salford connection yet and the children that were buried there appear to have been christened at the Cathedral, so Maybe there was another reason.
Then there is a strong possibility that I've got the wrong family. Regards, Eric.
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Tracking grave 1/28. Some hits are recorded in 3 separate registers.
Buried April 8 1801, Ann daughter of Thomas & Ann Ayres, spinster aged 22 who died April 5 of Fever at Bank Top, Man'r. Grave purchased by Thomas Ayres. (The No. 1/28 has been added in column 1 in a different hand)
1. Buried Jan'y 5 1812, Jane late wife of Samuel Hayres (sic), aged 50 years, who died Jan 1 of Decline at 103 (sic) Bank Top Man'r
2. Buried Jan 5, Jane late wife of Samuel Ayres, aged 50 years, who died Jan'y 1 of decline at No 133 Bank Top, Man'r. In Thomas Ayres grave
3. Buried Jan 5, Jane late wife of Samuel Ayres, aged 50, died Jan 1 1812, Grave 1/28, Disorder - Decline, 133 Bank Top, Man'r.
Buried 1815 Aug 15, Thomas Ayres, weaver, widower, aged 87 years who died Aug 12 of natural Decay at No 82 Loom Street near New Cross, Man'r. In 1/28
Buried 1823 Jan'y 26, Samuel Ayres, weaver, widower of 58 years, who died Jan'y 21 of Decline at No 7 Upton Street, Back Top, Man'r In 1/28
I can see Number 1 appearing 13 July 1801 (it's 1/1 encircled).The numbers increment and, I think, revert to 1 on the 1st January of each new year. I did wonder if the number above the line was a way of identifying the year for the number below the line. The only thing I can say with certainty is that if the No. appears within a circle it indicates "Grave purchased by ..."
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Thanks. I've found a few more burials, presumably for the same family and all mention the same Grave. I also found the burial when the Grave was purchased. The Grave No. is on the left, circled and a note to say who purchased the Grave. The subsequent entries are written at the end of the entry.
I thought the top number may have been the 1st , 2nd & c person in the Grave but all seem to have a 1 at the top.
Now I've solved that I need to find out if I've got the correct family.
Regards, Eric.
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I pondered the significance of the top no. and initially thought it might be the sequence of burials - but I've ruled that out. With the numbering reverting to 1 each year there is duplication of numbers and I wondered if the top no. was intended to distinguish the bottom number from others of the same value.
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The possibilities could be endless. One burial in that Grave at that particular time or the section of the Burial Ground?
The main thing is that I've established that it denotes the Grave and I know who purchased the Grave, which has helped me, possibly, to move on with this particular family.
Thanks, Eric