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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: jacques on Monday 12 September 05 21:24 BST (UK)
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Searching for information on the following
CAROLINE maiden name HAWKINS born c 1846 Wells Somerset.
First Marriage to ???? WEAVER c 1868
Second Marriage to ROBERT LANCASTLE at Cheltenham Register Office Aug 1880.
Would like confirmation of her parents
JOHN and ANN they married at Yatton
Somerset no dates but should be prior to 1840.
Any information greatly appreciated.Thank You
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Hi
1851 census for East Wells, Somerset
John Hawkins (widower) 36 Road labourer born Wells
Henry 10 Wells
Charles 7 Wells
Caroline 4 Wells
Emma 1 Wells
June 1/4 1853 John Hawkins marries Mary Ann Cardwell in Wells (awaiting cert to prove)
1861 census for Wells
John Hawkins 45 Labourer Wells
Ann Mary 40 Clutton
Henry 19 labourer Wells
Caroline 15 Wells
John 6 Wells (my gt grandfather)
I have not got any info on John's first wife. but looking for a death between 1849 (birth of Emma Jun 1/4 1849 and 1851 census)
1871 John is again a widower
marries Elizabeth Lockyer Sep 1/4 1871
1891 he is again a widower and dies before the 1901 census
Malcolm
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Many thanks for your information.
Looks as though your Gt Grandfather John and my Husband's Gt Grandmother Caroline were Brother and Sister.
Caroline went on to marry twice her second Husband was my Husbands Gt Grandfather his name Robert Lancastle.
Have you found Johns first wifes death yet if not would you like me to help?
John didn't have much luck in the marriage stakes did he.
Again many thanks I didn't have anything much on John senior.
This website is great don't you think
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Hi
Any help would be great --- thanks
To find John's first wife's name we will need to get one of the childrens birth certs to find mothers name.
That should tell us where they were living and we may be able to find the church for baptisms.
Malcolm
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Have baptism record of Caroline Hawkins showing her mother's name as Anne but unfortunately no maiden name. He seems to have married 3 Ann(e)s!
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GRO index for Henry Hawkins 1840, Charles 1843, Caroline 1846, Emma Sophia 1849 all have mothers maiden name as James. All registered Wells.
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There is a John Callow Hawkins who marries Charlotte James 26 February 1838.
His father James a butcher
Her father George a labourer
Witness are William Hawkins and (Francis Byrd he signs others so maybe the clerk)
1841 census St Cuthbert Wells
John Hawkins 25 ag lab.
Charlotte 23
Arthur 2*
Henry 7 months
*GRO index Arthur George Callow Hawkins mother maiden name James
registered Wells Union 1839
He died age 5 registered Wells Union September quarter 1843
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Charlotte Hawkins death registered 1851 in Wells first quarter age 32
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Are you both sure which Hawkins family you are following
1841 census Yatton Somerset
John Hawkins 30
Ann 30
Charles 9
John 7
Mary 5
George 2
1851 census Yatton Somerset
Ann 41
Mary Ann 14
George 12
William 8
*Caroline 7
These children have mothers maiden name Tripp and were registered in Bedminster
John Hawkins married Ann Tripp 21 October 1829 at St James Bristol.
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All the children of John Hawkins and Ann nee Tripp were baptized Yatton Somerset
Sarah Anne 14 Feb 1830
Charles 19 January 1832
John 29 September 1833
Mary Ann 26 February 1837
George 11 August 1839
William 12 May 1842
Caroline 19 January 1845
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Going back to the original question
John Weaver married a Caroline Hawkins 1868 registered in Bristol.
You will need the marriage cerificate to get the fathers name, however it's going to say John and since both families the father is a labourer it won't help, although one is deceased (Yatton) Perhaps the name of a witness can help.
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Jacques.
You are following Caroline Hawkins born Yatton daughter of John and Ann of Yatton bap 19 Jan 1845
FreeBMD married John Weaver 1868 Bristol
They had children
Arthur 1868 registered Bedminster
Walter 1870 registered Axbridge
Albina Jane 1873
Alice Maud 1876
George 1878
John Weaver must have died after 1878 and before 1880 when Caroline Weaver married Robert Lancastle
Using 1881 census
Robert Lancastle 30 born Bristol Glos
Caroline 36 born Yatton
Arthur 12
Walter 10
Albina Jane 8
Alice Maud 6
George 3
Robert Henry 6weeks registered Axbridge.
All children are listed with the surname Lancastle except for Robert Henry their last name should be Weaver.
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Mal
You are following the Wells family named Hawkins they gave their children similar names but Jacques family says they were born Yatton.Two completely different families.
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This is my family
John Callow HAWKINS married Charlotte JAMES 26 Feb 1838 in Shepton Mallet.
They had 5 children all born in Wells before Charlotte died in 1851.
Their daughter Caroline was born in 1846. Caroline married Samuel HOWE in Bristol in 1867.
They had 5 children (4 born in Bristol and the last born in Wells)
Caroline died in 1905 and is buried in Wells.
John Callow HAWKINS was my 2xgt grandfather. My direct line come from his second marriage to Mary Ann CARDWELL
Mal
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Robert Henry Lancastle was my grandfather so I know for definite that the children of Caroline and John Weaver were (?Edith 1862), Arthur, Walter, Albina, Alice Maud, George John. We have some documented memories from relatives, including some photographs. Caroline then married Robert Lancastle and had Robert Henry, Caroline, Sarah Ann (also known as Sarann), Joseph William and possibly a Matthew (shown on photograph we have).
Robert Henry was born in Andoversford Huts, Gloucester, as Robert was at that time a navvy on the railway. He later changed his surname to Williams possibly because he was lodging with a family of that name, although there is suggestion that Caroline later married (?) a James Williams as this person appears on Robert Henry's death certificate as his father.
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Have a receipt for funeral of Mrs Lancastle (Caroline) 04.04.1931 paid for by Mr Weaver. She was by then in Hope, Derbyshire and apparently there are records in Hope church.
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It's so much easier to find info now than 15 years ago when this first appeared.
Mal
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Thank you for info. It’s many years since I worked on this 15?.
Due to Virus I’m stuck in Turkey all my files are back in U.K.
My connection through my my husbands tree. His father was Joseph William Smith. From Hope .
Cousin I think of Weavers . Used to visit in Notts retired policeman wife and daughter Doreen.
That’s all I can recall without my records. I’m 81 would appreciate anything you think relevant. Don’t have photos . My Husband died 5 years ago.
Thanks for getting in touch. Pam
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I remember going to visit Bob and Dorothy Weaver, back in the 1970's. A lovely couple and he was a very keen gardener - as well as seeming very tall to me! They were then living near Nottingham in Breaston (?). Doreen helped me when I was looking for work in the 1980's and I last saw her in the 1990's. My brother has her address and as far as I know she is still around.
Bertram (Bert) Smith who came from Liskeard in Cornwall married Caroline Lancastle in c1906. Brenda Eyre (daughter of Joseph William's brother, John (Jack)) was in contact with my father when he was trying to find out about the name change from Lancastle to Williams. She gave their address as 15 Castleton Rd, Hope (don't know date they lived there). I have a couple of photos of Bertram and Caroline from c1906.
I've put together the family tree as far as I can so if you are interested I could try sending you a pdf. I've saved the photos as jpegs, so can try to send them too if you are interested.
I hope this is of help.
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Thank you Magstoo
Yes Breaston is correct. Yes Bob very tall and muscular. Perfect for Policeman.
I’m pretty sure Doreen passed away few years ago we exchanged Xmas Cards. They had cats. Last time we visited must be 15-20 years ago.
Bert Smith was my Late Husbands Grandfather. A dapper little man reminded me of Charlie Chaplin with his walking stick and hat.
Brenda Eyre my husbands cousin. Again kept in touch at Christmas. Las address I had for them was Hathersage. I would much appreciate pdf and photos. Not very good with technology I’m 81 with Parkinson’s so not very mobile.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you
Pam
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Thank you for your reply. I've attached the so hope you can see it Ok. The files area large so I will have to send them separately. I'll contact my brother to see if he still is in touch with Doreen.
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Family tree