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This may a little cheeky - specially as it's my first notice but I need to find an Emma Lovell - b in Bedfordshire about 1840 (ish). Several families have come and been discarded but I would be inter4ested in an Emma Lovell who was in and out of a workhouse. She had two children (at least) William George b 1863/4 and Frederick 1864/5. Frederick died and I know the history of William - it's just his mother I'm interested in at the moment.
So... if anyone could look up workhouse records for me - possibly Wilden... I woould be more than grateful and it would be the end of a 5 year search...
MAny thanks
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Hi Den
Welcome to rootschat ;D Have you found her on any censuses? If you have suggest you post that info, it would make it easier for someone to come to your aid if you give as full a picture as possible. Were her two boys illegitimate? Or is Lovell her married name? If so what is her maiden-name? You say she was in and out of a workhouse - how did you come by this info and was it Wilden she was in when you did find her? Hope you succeed in your quest.
Cheers Jan ;)
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Thanks for that Jan
I know William George Lovell b circa 1863/4. His Bedfordshire Militia records give his age. In 1881 census he was in Militia and from then on have records of him.
I know he was baptised in Dec 1871 at St Pauls, Bedford - his mother Emma Lovell. No father. He had a brother who died a dew days after this baptism of smallpox. They were living at this time at Gravel Lane, Bedford. William's Militia papers tell me that he has smallpox marks on his face.
William married an Agnes Barrick and on their marriage certificate there is no father given. I assume then that he was born out of wedlock.
Family rumour is that William was born in a workhouse - that's all I have. I cannot find any reference to him or Emma prior to the baptism in 1871.
His militia papers say that he was born in St Pauls, Bedford - from that I assume that Emma at least lived there at some point.
I have found a family Samuel and Elizabeth Lovell who had a daughter Emelia - she goes on to describe herself as Emma, Emily in further census returns. This family were coal merchants but they were rather well off and I doubt whether they would not have provided for Emelia - although she does disappear after 1851 census.
I hope that all this info doesn't put people off!!!!
PLEASE PLEASE help. She HAS to belong to SOMEONE!!!!
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There is this lady
Emma Lovell June qtr 1841 Bedford Vol6 Pg27
but no way of knowing whether she is yours.
When you say you can't find any reference to William prior to his baptism where have you searched? As you probably no FreeBMD or Ancestry only have partial BMD records, try 1837online or similar pay per view site. Also make sure you search a couple of years either side of his supposed birth date (apologies if you know all this :D) Sadly my Ancestry subscription has lapsed so I can't burrow around in the 61 and 71 for these lost souls. Hope someone comes to your aid.
Cheers Jan
PS You could modify your title to a broader Looking for Emma Lovell or something
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Hi Den
Have you seen this lady in 1881?
Emma Lovell Serv U 59 Housekeeper Domestic born Wilden, Beds living in South Bersted Sussex
Can't investigate these any further
But in 1871 there is
Emma Levell born 1822 in Beds living in London
In 1861 there is
Emma Lenes born 1824 in Herts living in Beds
She doesn't appear on other censuses so is probably a mistranscription
Cheers Jan ;)
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It appears Wilden would have come under Bedford see
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Bedford/Bedford.shtml
Jan ;)
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Thank you.
Believe me no stone has been unturned - that I KNOW of. Workhouse records are the next thing.
Thank you anyway
Den
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Always worth another pair of eyes having a look though ;D I spent ages looking for one of mine in 1851 only to find she'd died in 1849 and her husband had inconsiderately married another Ann >:( It was only when someone here re-presented me with info I already had that I sorted that one out.
Good luck with your quest
Jan ;)
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Would sks look up the LOVELL details for Wilden 1851. The Wilden Emma is 16 & appears on page 11. Would someone be able to check the 1861 & '71 to find which children she had with her? She is either in Wilden or Bedford [St Peters]
She never revealed the name of the father - though the authorities would have put pressure on her [from the expense angle].
I think she may be a red herring as she is the mother of James LOVELL who appears on the 1881 in London - she had a baby girl was born & died in the Bedford workhouse [listed as a 'discharge' - such was Victorian data recording].
I have put a couple of Bedfordshire LOVELL trees together but can not sort out this Emma who people ask about.
I will go back through the workhouse records records again, if necessary [ though they are a nightmare to research mainly because you have to go from document to document where bits are missing - 2 days work] ::)
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Believe me no stone has been unturned - that I KNOW of. Workhouse records are the next thing.
Den
Den,
I'm just a bit confused -- I thought you hadn't found your Emma and 2 boys on any census except 1881 (Wm George). If so, you really should check census records for '51, 61, and 71 before you go off to Workhouse records.
You don't know IF or WHEN or WHERE she was in a workhouse, so it's a bit of a difficult task. But census is different - you know she was there somewhere :-)
I had a brief look myself this morning in census but the only ones I found that 'fit' at all (even with variant spellings of the names) were 2 brothers sons of a Samuel, and a sister Emily, no mother Emma. Mind you that was only a quick look...
I'll keep looking but meantime you might try http://allcensusrecords.com/ for help
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On 1861 there's an Emma (married to Draper) liviing with mum & dad Lovell
in Village Green at Wilden Beds
Benjamin Draper abt 1822 Bolnhurst, Bedfordshire Son-in-law
Emma Draper abt 1834 Wilden, Bedfordshire Daughter
Robert Lovell abt 1812 Wilden, Bedfordshire, England Head
Sarah Lovell abt 1812 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire Wife
Thomas Lovell abt 1838 Wilden, Bedfordshire Son
Robert is the Parish Clerk, Benjamin is a Blacksith, Emma & Sarah are Lauderesses.
hope this is usefull
regards John :)
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On IGI christening of an Emma Lovell at Wilden 17 AUG 1834
parents listed as Robert Lovell & Sarah
plus marriage of Emma to Benjamin Draper on 24 DEC 1856 at Wilden, Bedford - he was 33 & she was 22 - father listed as Robert Lovell
His father was Spencer Lovell
cheers John
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John
I spotted her too - but she is too old & married to be the mother of Wm Geo LOVELL in 1863? Besides if she became a DRAPER in 1856...and Wm Geo LOVELL was born in 1863ish.
'Emma' is sitting somewhere and laughing at our attempts to track her down, I think!
If I were a betting woman - I would go for Samuel & Elizabeth's daughter ...Emily Jane [Emelia in the 1851 census]- but even that seems unlikely!
I give up!
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Frederick Dicks is the father of Emma's two boys according to the Bedfordshire Mercury May 1871...she was living with Frederick as his wife but I believe they were not married. Frederick got arrested for threatening her with a knife. It states they had two children.
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in 1871 census she was using the name Dicks as were the two boys, they lived st paul's parish. It states Emma was born Bambury Oxfordshire 1845.
Children... William Dicks age 4, Frederick age 5
But like I said above I don't think they were actually married.
I'm on the search for Frederick Dicks the father and cannot find him in 1881.
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Ann Elizabeth Dicks born to Frederick and Emma, christened 23 July 1869, St Pauls Bedford
she died 1869
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I'm on the search for Frederick Dicks the father and cannot find him in 1881.
I'd get the 1879 death cert mentioned in the other thread at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731868.0 to see if it provides any clues as to whether it's the same Frederick