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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: imison on Tuesday 04 October 05 14:32 BST (UK)
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Llanrhaidr
Montgomeryshire 1871 Wales
Garden Colleges
Mary Poole Head widow 69? widow of a painter born in Shropshire
Oswestry
Thoms Poole Son unmarried 47 painter born in Shropshire Oswestry
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Hi imison
Could you let us know what it is you want to find out about Mary & Thomas Poole?
I have the 1861 and 1851 Montgomeryshire Census if you would like me to look for them.
Jan
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Dear Jan
Thank you very much for your kind offer. I would be most grateful to know if there are any POOLE members there, not just the people above.
My great-grandfather was born in Upton Magna Shropshire but I have never been able to locate his parents. He was born about 1834, name of JOSEPH POOLE.
I know that Poole is fairly common in Wales, and wonder if any migrated towards Shropshire the neighbouring county. This may have happened in the case above too.
Again you have my gratitude
IMISON
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Hi imison
Firstly, have you posted your request on the Shropshire Board as well. There are plenty of Rootschatters there who have access to the Shropshire census's (or should that be censi ??? :D)
From the 1851 Montgomeryshire Census:
HO107/2497, folio 73, page 10 - Great Cloddias, Kerry
William POOLE 24 year old Farmer of 140 acres, born in Llanbadarn Fawr, Cardiganshire. Wife Elizabeth age 24, born in Kerry, Montgomeryshire.
2 servants
Another POOLE family also living in Kerry who are most likely related:
HO107/2497, folio 52, page 14 - Penygelli, Kerry
William Poole 54 year old farmer of 83 acres, born Llanbadarn Cardiganshire. Wife Mary Grismontt Poole age 52, born Llanfair Montgomeryshire.
1 Daughter - Laura Poole age 24, born Llanbadarn, Cardiganshire.
1 visitor - Catherine Tomley
5 Servants
HO107/2498, folio 613, page 23 - Clawdd, Guilsfield
Benjamin Poole 43 year old farmer born Meifod, Montgomeryshire and wife Jane age 41, born Llansantffraid, Montgomeryshire.
Children:
Elizabeth age 11, born Oswestry, Salop
Thomas age 8 born Meifod, Montgomeryshire
Benjamin age 7 born " "
David age 4 born Guilsfied, Montgomeryshire
Jane age 1 born " "
HO107/2498, folio 116, page 50 - County Gaol, Montgomery
John Poole 22 year old unmarried Prison, Convicted Misdemena, born Leighton Montgomeryshire
(I hope he isn't one of yours!!!!!!! ;D)
HO107/2498, folio 509, page 19 - Garrig Farm, Buttington
Mary Poole Unmarried farmer age 40 born Buttington Montgomeryshire - and her following relatives:
Sister Jane Evans married age 38 born Buttington
Brother Richard Poole unmarried age 37 born Buttington
Sister Margaret Poole unmarried age 31 born Buttington
Sister Martha Poole unmarried age 30 born Buttington
Nephew George Ford age 3 born Buttington
1 Servant
HP107/2499, folio 532, page 1 - Llandysilio (no property name given
Elizabeth Poole 70 year old Widow, farmer born Llanerfyl, Montgomersyhire and her 2 unmarried daughters:
Margaret age 34, Harriot age 26, both girls born in Llanymynech, Montgomeryshire.
HO107/2499, folio 522, page 4 - Llandysilion (no property name given
John Poole 81 year old widower, Annuitant born Llanymynech Salop, and unmarried daughter age 41 born Oswestry Salop
HO107/2499, folio 463, page 12 - Cefyn Wyfnog, Llansantffraid
Robert Poole Cousin (of 19 year old Jane Savage Head of Household) 6 year old Scholar, born London
That's all the POOLE's that I can find in 1851...........I'll go and search 1861 for you now :D
Jan
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Dear Lloydy
Thank you very very much for all this wonderful information - it must have taken AGES to find and type up - I am most grateful.
I can't remember if I have posted on the Shropshire board recently - I think I mentioned somewhere about my great-grandfather but not the most recent people.
Thank you again - I'll rectify the situation with the Shropshire board now.
Best wishes and much gratitude
IMISON
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You are very welcome IMISON :D Since you read my last post, I have had to edit it to add some more POOLE's that I missed.
I don't mind doing the look ups, in fact I enjoy it. Helping other people with their family history gives me great pleasure.
Now back to searching the 1861.......... :D
Jan
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Thank you very much indeed Jan. I reckon you are a brilliant researcher.
Imison
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Awww thanks :-[ :D
There are a lot more POOLE's in the 1861, hope you are ready for them ;D ;D
Here we go:-
1861 Montgomeryshire Census
RG9/4240, folio 59, page 22 - Glanydon, Hamlet of Cefnrhos uchaf, Towyn, Merionethshire
Mary Poole 62 year old widow, Lodging House Keeper born Llanfair, Montgomeryshire and 1 servant
RG9/4249, folio 41, page 9 - Twll, Townships of Cloddia and Brynllywarch, Kerry
Edward Allen 72 yr old farmer born Berriew, Montgomeryshire, and wife Elizabeth age 67 born Llanwnnog
Children:
George F Allen 36 born Kerry Montgomeryshire
Mary E Poole married 33 born Kerry and her 3 children William A Poole age 8, Mary E Poole age 5 and Laura Ann Poole age 2. All the grandchildren were born in Kerry, Montgomersyhire.
6 Servants
RG9/4257, folio 38, page 7 - Garreg, Buttington
Sarah Poole 71 yr old widow and daughter Jane Poole 29 yr old dressmaker, unmarried. Both born in Buttington, Montgomeryshire.
RG9/4257, folio 42, page 16 - Moelygolfa, Buttington
John Poole 39 yr old Sawyer born Buttington Montgomeryshire and wife Jane age 29 born Cardiff Glamorgan.
Children:
Henry age 2, Mary age 1 and Edwin age 1. All born in Buttington, Montgomeryshire.
RG9/4257, folio 42, page 16 - Dingle Farm, Buttington
Robert Poole 33 yr old Farmer born Buttington, Montgomeryshire and wife Anne age 29, born Stokesay Salop. Daughter Catherine 3 months born Buttington.
RG94257, folio 41, page 13 - Bryn Farm, Buttington
William Poole grandson age 4, born Buttington.
He is grandson of Thomas and Mary Davies (Let me know if you want the full details of the other family members)
More to follow.......
Jan
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Dear Jan
Yes please to ANY Poole family member you can find - my grandfather was one of 16 CHILDREN, so there are bound to be lots and lots of Pooles around.
Thank you so much
Imison
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1861 continuted....
RG9/4261, folio 55, page 13 - Haughton, Llandysilio
Harriet Poole age 35 & unmarried, Occupier of 8 acres (??) born Llanymynech Salop and two sisters: Jane 54 and Mary 52 both unmarried, Out of Employment and born Llanymynech.
RG9/4261, folio 74, page 6 - Llandrinio
Mary Ann Poole 48 yr old Annuitant born Oswestry Salop, Lodger with Richard and Mary Jones.
RG9/4262, folio 47, page 9 - Bronbedw, Meifod
William Poole a 12 year old Servant for the Lloyd family. Bron in Meifod, Montgomeryshire.
RG9/4263, folio 31, page 19 - Clawdd, Guilsfield
Benjamine Poole 54 year old farmer born Meiford, and wife Jane age 51 born Llansanitffraid. Son David age 15 born Guilsfield.
2 Boarders Elizabeth Davies age 4 born Liverpool Lancashire and James Jones age 1 born Guilsfield.
RG9/4265, folio 35, page 6 - Church Street, Llanrhaiadr ym Mochnant (Denbighshire)
William Poole 58 yr old Rural Post Messenger born Oswestry Salop, and wife Mary age 59 born Oswestry Salop.
Son Thomas age 37 unmarried, House & Furniture (??) born Oswestry Salop
Son Joseph age 12 born Oswestry Salop
Grand-daughter Susannah Howarth age 4 born Bury Lancashire
Phew!!! thats it ;D
Let me know if you need anything else.
Jan
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Hi again
I see that you have put your POOLE interest into the Surname Interest Table.
There are two other Rootschat members reasearching POOLE from Shropshire. If you do a general search for POOLE it will bring up a list of everyone researching that name. Click on each member and you can send them a message.
Jan
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I can't keep away can I?!!!!!!!
My great-grandfather was born in Upton Magna Shropshire but I have never been able to locate his parents. He was born about 1834, name of JOSEPH POOLE.
Believe it not, Upton Magna is about 3 miles from my house :D and I have a digital camera, so let me know if you would like any photos taken.
Upton Magna parish records are held at the Shropshire Archives in Shrewsbury http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/archives.nsf
Jan
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THANK YOU AGAIN JAN - I will check them up
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I can't keep away can I?!!!!!!!
My great-grandfather was born in Upton Magna Shropshire but I have never been able to locate his parents. He was born about 1834, name of JOSEPH POOLE.
Dear Jan
I did just have a look at the url you gave me - and saw that it is a tiny hamlet of just over 300 or so inhabitants. Do you know if it is a FARMING area at all? The family story was that my great-great-grandparents were FARMERS.
I did a search for photographs but could find none but maybe you know of a good url. Yes, I would be very interested to see a photograph/picture of Upton Magna.
Does the school date back to the 19th century or is it rebuilt and modern? I just wonder where my great-grandfather might have gone to school.
Of course, I am taking a leap of imagination to think that the Poole family stayed in Upton Magna, but I did see a brief mention of another Poole born in Upton Magna in about 1840 on BMD, so I think it is possible that they might have stayed.
It is a very small world indeed that you live only 3 miles or so from the place where my direct ancestors lived and worked!
Thank you so much - you have given me several leads to check and I shall see if I can make some connections - it might take me a few weeks!
best wishes
Imison
Believe it not, Upton Magna is about 3 miles from my house :D and I have a digital camera, so let me know if you would like any photos taken.
Upton Magna parish records are held at the Shropshire Archives in Shrewsbury http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/archives.nsf
Jan
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Just found this
http://www.uptonmagna.com/index.htm
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Just found this
http://www.uptonmagna.com/index.htm
Dear Jan - pure GENIUS - thank you so much - most fascinating, and to find out that it probably goes back to Saxon times. Are the old cruck framed houses still inhabited do you know? That truly is fascinating.
Are there farms there do you know? And if so, are they arable or livestock or mixed? I know that farmers were part of the family.
Also, is there a church? Some of my family were clergy and others teachers as well as bakers [and maybe brewers]. I think one may have run an inn.
Thank you again for all your dedicated work and research
Best wishes
Imison
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Lloydy
Harriett Poole and her sister are my relies, who lived at Haughton in 1881. gggggrand Aunties. They appear to be the only Poole relatives that I can find who
were still part of the family that I have found back to 1766 in Llanymynech.
I descend through their brother brother Jeffrey Poole.
I have been in contact with Imison before and wouldn't be surprised if the two families were connected somehow.
Janette
1861 continuted....
RG9/4261, folio 55, page 13 - Haughton, Llandysilio
Harriet Poole age 35 & unmarried, Occupier of 8 acres (??) born Llanymynech Salop and two sisters: Jane 54 and Mary 52 both unmarried, Out of Employment and born Llanymynech.
RG9/4261, folio 74, page 6 - Llandrinio
Mary Ann Poole 48 yr old Annuitant born Oswestry Salop, Lodger with Richard and Mary Jones.
RG9/4262, folio 47, page 9 - Bronbedw, Meifod
William Poole a 12 year old Servant for the Lloyd family. Bron in Meifod, Montgomeryshire.
RG9/4263, folio 31, page 19 - Clawdd, Guilsfield
Benjamine Poole 54 year old farmer born Meiford, and wife Jane age 51 born Llansanitffraid. Son David age 15 born Guilsfield.
2 Boarders Elizabeth Davies age 4 born Liverpool Lancashire and James Jones age 1 born Guilsfield.
RG9/4265, folio 35, page 6 - Church Street, Llanrhaiadr ym Mochnant (Denbighshire)
William Poole 58 yr old Rural Post Messenger born Oswestry Salop, and wife Mary age 59 born Oswestry Salop.
Son Thomas age 37 unmarried, House & Furniture (??) born Oswestry Salop
Son Joseph age 12 born Oswestry Salop
Grand-daughter Susannah Howarth age 4 born Bury Lancashire
Phew!!! thats it ;D
Let me know if you need anything else.
Jan
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Hello Janette
It's good to see this tread revived after two years in hibernation ;D ;D
How have you and Imison progressed with your research? Any further forwards, or should that be backwards? :D
Let me know if either of you need any more look ups......I have an annual subscription to Ancestry so can check all the census for you.
Best wishes
Jan
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Hi all
I haven't been on this particular thread as they are not mine, I think so. Have been busy with other threads, just wanted to let you know that I am still interested in the Poole's as I am beginning to think that they may all be related somehow. I have got several wills for my Jeffrey Poole back to the 1600s.
I wouldn't be this far except for all the help from different people on this site.
goorikidz
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John Poole was my great grandfather, Robert the farmer my great, great grandfather. My grandfather was John and Jane's son Albert. He married Elizabeth Magee and was in the 5th Dragoon Guards stationed near London. His first child Albert George died aged 3 and my Uncle Edwin was born there. They later moved to Liverpool, where Albert became a policeman. Other sons were Henry John (my father) and Robert James. Daughters were Ethel Miriam and Caroline
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I also have an interest in the Poole family ( some mentioned in an earlier post) and in my researches came across this:-
Wills:
October 26th 1798
Will of Joseph Poole, yeoman of Fox Farm, St Chad Shropshire
1R 26/353 cat.
Image No 301/638
Also there are several children born ( and died) to Joseph and Elisabeth Poole of Llandrinio in the mid 1700s. Can send details if they are of any interest to you.
Lleucu
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Thank you for the information, but my Poole family were all born around Buttington and Trewern not Shropshire, though one of their wives was from there. I also have a great grandmother from Cardiff called Jane Thomas who married John Poole and I have little information about her, would love to know more.
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Oh well it was just a try. Are you connected to the Garreg Poole family?
Lleucu
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Sorry I'm not, but it was worth a try as you say, nice to hear from you. Best Wishes Dorothy