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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) => Topic started by: bryso on Thursday 06 October 05 18:47 BST (UK)
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can you help please?.looking for direct family members of my grandfather,James denholm married to isabella webster
they lived in stenton and had two sons-John( now deceased) and archie still living in stenton.I know we are related to the denholms in north berwick but not through
the denholm line but through the websters.confused?.
me too.any help would be really appreciated.thank-you.
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One of my ancestors is a Denholm...
She was Henereta (could be Henrietta and is just typed into Scotlands people wrong) Denholm and married John White. They lived in Dunbar and had a child named Allison, who had 3 illegitimate children. She was born in Stow as far as I can see.
Denholm isn't a very uncommon name though... ???
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Hi Bryso
We're all eager to help but need a bit more detail such as WHEN ?
If events are too recent they will not yet be available on-line on scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Rough dates will do for marriages and births. Exact dates would be a bonus ;D
Russell
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HI RUSSELL,I'M LOOKING FOR DENHOLMS IN EAST LOTHIAN FROM 1800'S ONWARDS.ESPECIALLY IN STENTON,NORTH BERWICK AND DUNBAR.
MANY THANKS FOR YOUR HELP
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Hi Bryso
I used IGI for a quick look between 1820-1855 and there are a few dotted around.
Only 2 in Stenton:
Isabella b Dec 1840 to James Denholm & Helen Paterson
Elizabeth b Jul 1845 to James Denholm & Helen Isabella Paterson
Tranent:
Janet b Nov 1825 to James Denholme & Helen Smith
Oldhamstocks:
Isabella b 1847 to James Denholm & Sarah Cockburn
Jean b 1827 Agnes b 1833 to David Denholm & Sarah Wright
Mary b 1830 to George Denholm & Sarah Atchison
Dirleton:
Catharine b 1821 to William Denholm & Marrion Cockburn
Innerwick:
Isabel b 1831 to Thomas Denholm & Isabel Macracket
Jane b 1854 to Henry Denholm & Janet Burnside
Sarah b 1822 to Henry Denholm & Margaret Fortune
North Berwick:
Robina Alison b 1849 Anne b 1847 to William Denholm & Catherine Nelson Barry
Elizabeth b 1847 to Alexander Denholm & Jane Coffer
I found none for the same time period in Haddington, Pencaitland, Ormiston. There will be matching marriages no doubt but I didn't have time to continue.
I had to respond to your post because I was born in Ormiston and feel loyal to East Lothian and my brother worked for Denholm Shipping. Couldn't refuse, could I
Russell
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Hi Delphinum
I meant to answer your post at the same time but got carried away.
I found no Denholm births in Dunbar for 1820-1855 which was as far as I looked. I only looked at the Tyne valley parishes. There may be others which you could find using the 'Hugh Wallis counties ' search.
Before you go giving scotlandspeople the blame for mistyping Henrietta's name, just wait till you see some of the spelling on the original certificates and Register entries.
There was no such thing as 'proper spelling' 150 years ago. People wrote down what it sounded like and if the person giving the information had a broad country accent then the poor registrar had to make the best of it. He couldn't say "could you spell that, please!" because a lot of folk back then couldn't spell or write.
I think you are fairly new to genealogy. Don't be tempted to 'correct' spelling of names and places. Record exactly what is on original documents. It may be the clue you need to go back another generation or find another relative.
Sorry for the lecture!
Russell
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THANKS VERY MUCH RUSSELL,REALLY APPRECIATE THAT INFO.ITS FURTHER BACKTHAN I HAVE MANAGED,FAMILY RECORDS HAVE GONE AMISS.ONLY THING
THAT I HAVE DEFINATE INFO ON IS MY GRANDMOTHER ISABELLA DENHOLM
(NEE WEBSTER) DIED ON 26TH DECEMBER 1960 IN STENTON BUT YOU KNOW WHAT EAST LOTHIANS LIKE, THEY COULD HAVE MOVED FROM HADDINGTON,
DUNBAR OR ANYWHERE IN EAST LOTHIAN AS WAS COMMON IN THESE DAYS
AS HOUSING WENT HAND IN HAND WITH EMPLOYMENT.GOOD TO KNOW THAT
THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF OUT THERE WILLING TO HELP NEWBIES LIKE ME.IT REALLY IS MUCH APPRECIATED.
LANG MAY YER LUMB REEK
BRYSO
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Hi Bryso
Have you used the HughWallis search facility?
free-pages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/Query (http://free-pages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/Query)
I'm not sure if all the site address is there but you could find it fromRootsweb.
It gives all the Scottish counties and allows you to select in each parish a time span for births (number sequences beginning with C) or marriages (M) put in the surname in the box -top right and any results will come up in the usual IGI format with batch numbers.
If you have patience its great for tracking down other siblings from a family. I use it all the time - its free of course!
Not all births/marriages were recorded unfortunately but its as good a record as you'll get for free!!!
Sometimes place names are rather oddly spellt but often the transcriber didn't know the area and guessed.
Any other help you need just ask
Russell
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My Denholm's were in East Lothian from the early 1800's. Cockburnpath and Innerwick area etc. If you have a connection or curious please reply.
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hi andy,yes i am curious.remember my father saying he had relations in oldhamstocks and innerwick but unfortunately dont know what their names were.i also remember a girl who used to go to innerwick in the school holidays
and she introduced herself as a distant cousin (when i was a dj in dunbar)
never really established the connection properly as i was a teenager and not really into family history at the time.if my memory serves right her name was
Susan.any info would be really appreciated.many thanks.
bryso
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I have just made contact with " extended family" in Innerwick, Fife, Canada and West Lothian. My Denholm's go back as far as 1747 in this area. We have a "gathering" in August of this year. I intend to post an indepth report and request for other surnames linked to me.
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I am tracing any links of Denholm/Denham to the following:
Blyth.
Lyal.
Nisbet.
McKenzie.
France.
Scott.
Hope.
Bisset.
Gibson.
Anderson.
James Denholm and Jean Nisbet I believe they were the parents of the Robert Denholm Below.
Robert Denholm was born 28 June 1747, he married Margaret Lyal on 12 May 1775 in Cockburnspath.
Son of the above Robert, was Robert Denholm married Jean/Jane McKenzie on 12 May 1797, Cocksburnpath.
My GGG/Grandfather John Denholm was the son of the above (one of twins his brother was James) who married Agnes Davidson on 22 May 1829 in Oldhamstocks.
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Hi Andy
My gx5 grandmother was a Margaret Millar Denholm born in Innerwick (I think) in 1754.She married a James Gibson in 1773 in Coylton. I know she was the daughter of a James Denholm and Agnes Hunter but would love to know more if she fits into your line anywhere?
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I've just joined Rootschat and happened along your Denholm post. My great-great grandmother was born Isabella Denholm on 26 March 1820 in Innerwick, daughter to Henry Denholm (b. 14 May 1786 Innerwick) and Margaret Fortune (b. 20 Jan 1793 in Longborough Berwick). I have found two siblings for Isabella - Sarah (1822) and Henry (1827). Henry Sr. father was Alexander Denholm and mother was Selkirk Bell ( wonderful name).
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does anyone have denholms that ended up in alva, stirlingshire....??
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Do you have access to the Scotland Census? There is one particular Denholm family and descendants in Alva from 1861 to 1901. There are many other Denholms in Stirlingshire, some of whom were born in Dunbar.
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Hi
Do you know if Isabella's parents were Archibald Webster born 1848 and Marion Aitchison born 1867.
Just noticed how long ago you posted soyou might already have found the North Berick Denholm's.
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I was emailed the following hope they help:
"Elizabeth Denholm b 1794 d 3 Jul 1873 Dunbar, EL married 9 Dec 1815 to John Henderson. Elizabeth's father was John Denholm a farm servant. Death info: D1873 at Westcairns? Dunbar. Married to John Henderson, Fisherman. Elizabeth died age 79. Father - John Denholm, farm servant dec. Mother - unknown. Informant David Anderson son-in-law. Cause of death old age."
There was also an "Elizabeth Denham c 17 Jul 1791 at Ladykirk. Her parents were James Denham and Eliz. Robertson" No further info re who Eliz. might have married.
I found the following in 1851East Lothian Census which would tie in with the John Henderson, Fisherman, above:
Parish Innerwick, Enumeration District #2 Page 5 Schedule 18:
John Henerson Co'path Fisherman age 63 c1788
Elizabeth Dunbar Wife 55 c1796
James Innerwick Son (late seaman) Fisherman 31 c1820
John Innerwick " " " 21 c1830
Mary Innerwick Dau House servant 15 c1836
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Looking for the parents of James Denholm married to Agnes Hunter: were they James Denholm and Jean Nisbet, noticed a lot of Denholm questions on this site - James Denholm is my 6th generations back great grandfather
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I have Denholm's in my family, however I haven't done a lot of research on them. Does anyone have any Denholm's who ended up living in the Gilmerton / Liberton area of Edinburgh.
Laura
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Hello
I'm afraid I haven't any information on my Denholm kin, sorry but I came to a dead end with this part of my tree, which you can have a look at on Ancestry under Ellis
Marlyn
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Laura,
I have Denholms living in Gilmerton, Edinburgh, from 1936 to 1970s. Who are you looking for, please?
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I have Denholm's in my family, however I haven't done a lot of research on them. Does anyone have any Denholm's who ended up living in the Gilmerton / Liberton area of Edinburgh.
I had a Great Uncle who I am told lived in this area George Anderson Denholm
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Hi Andy D,
I know a George Denholm from North Berwick, whatt age is your George likely to be.
Tom
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Hi Tom,
All my line of Denholms moved to Fife. George Anderson Denholm was my 1st cousin twice removed. Born Hill of Beath 15 Aug 1915. A professional footballer who play for both Scottish and English football. I am told he died 1998 or 1999, he lived in the Edinburgh area. And possibly married to El Shearer.
The Denholm line goes back to Oldhamstock, Cockburnspath and Innerwick. So maybe George is related down the line.
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Hello Andy,
George Anderson Denholm married Helen McIntyre Shearer in 1939 at Dalgetty Bay. Info isn't online. Good to know you are back on the trail. Have posted message for you on Berwickshire Forum.
Hello Tom,
Andy and I share the same 2xGGF, John Denholm. I am descended from a son of his first marriage, Andy from his second marriage, hence me from Tranent and Andy's direct relatives from Fife. The elder children from the first marriage stayed in Tranent when John, his second wife and younger children moved to Hill of Beath.
Mags
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Hello Andy,
Had a look at SP and Deceased Online
George Anderson Denholm died 1997 aged 82 in Edinburgh.(SP)
There are two x George Denholm
Died 8 March 1997, Cremated 12 March at Warriston, Edinburgh
Died 26 March 1997, Cremated 4 April 1997 at Seafield, Edinburgh
Wife, Helen McIntyre Shearer died 2009 aged 92 in Leith(SP)
Helen M Denholm died 18 March 2009, cremated 30 March 2009 Seafield, Edinburgh
Mags
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Hi mamad,
Small world, I was born in Tranent in grandmothers house, at Ormiston Crescent, top of Northfield. My mum and dad stayed in Cockenzie at the time, but dad was down Prestonlinks pit on night shift, so she stayed with mother during late pregnancy for safety reasons.
Tom
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Hi Mags
This is fantastic, thanks again.
George (1st cousin twice removed) is also on the following website http://www.enfa.co.uk/ regarding his time career at York City. I have been in contact with the webmaster at this site to offer them a photo of George, now I can give them further information.
Would you hazard a guess that the following maybe George "Died 26 March 1997, Cremated 4 April 1997 at Seafield, Edinburgh".
Do you know if they had any children?
Andy
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Hello Andy,
Can't confirm any children and deceased online blank out living informants.
Hello Tom,
I was Robertson Avenue(the half block that was partly demolished due to pit workings). It was exciting as a child to have the "cooncil lorry" loading our furniture and moving us out when the cracks were found. We moved to Ross Crescent and then down to Coalgate Avenue where my dad stayed until his death. That was over 40 years in Coalgate Avenue! My grandparents lived in Coalgate too. Coalgate, as you know is just around the corner from Northfield. Had a lad in my class at school lived in Ormiston Crescent. For a time my dad worked at Meadowmill(didn't have any baths there so came home dirty), then Cowdenfoot and Monktonhall.
Mags
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Hi mamad,
I had relatives in Ross Crescent and Colgate Avenue, will PM you.
Tom
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#18 My 8th Great Grandfather was James Denholm and he was married to Agnes Hunter.
James Denholm's parents were James Denholm and Jean Nisbit.
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hi folks,really must appologise for the length of time i've been off this site,this was due to a false promise from an internet provider,however thanks to some detective work from Trys on this site(he traced me through FB).anyway I have been in contact with my 1st cousin and we are,between us gathering as much proven material as possible.glad to be back on here and hope to progress with the initial post.many thanks. :-)
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Hi,
I'm new to this site. Did an internet search and found this site. My granny that died in the 80's was Isabella Denholm. She was born in Edinburgh. Her fathers name was Robert Denholm. Unsure of her mothers name.
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Hello,
Had a quick look at scotlandspeople. As your user name is MacWatt, I saw the death of Isabella Munro Denholm, other name MacWatt, died Elgin in 1985, age 80.
Her birth cert. shows she was born at 26 Albion Road, Edinburgh 24? Dec 1905(writing's not clear on cert.) Parents: Robert Denholm and Jamesina McLeod.
Robert and Jamesina married 27 Nov 1903 at Edinburgh. His parents were Robert Denholm, Wood Sawyer, and Janet Wood. Her parents were John McLeod, Fisherman(deceased) and Marion McKay previously McLeod ms Munro.
If you access the 1911 census on scotlandspeople, you'll get Robert's birthplace.
Apologies if I have gone up the wrong path and made wrong assumptions.
Mags
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Oh my goodness Mags!! Thank you so much!! Yes my granny died in Elgin, when I was 9. I have had a look on Scotlandspeople before. But I have never been able to find that much information, and find it so difficult to read the writing. You have helped so much. Thank you so much again
Vicky
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#18 My 8th Great Grandfather was James Denholm and he was married to Agnes Hunter.
James Denholm's parents were James Denholm and Jean Nisbit.
Agnes Hunter was the wife of my 5th great grand Uncle
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I too have a Denholm in my family
Martha married George Lounon ( Lounton ) Dunbar 26.7.1798
I have the family as Ann
George b 1822 d 22 11 1897 Tweedmouth
and Alexander b 1837 d 1908 ( could be Ann's son ) looking at the birth date b Tweedmouth
I do know Ann was the mother of Martha born about 1833 illegitimate .....Martha married James Thompson 1855
Any help on Ann would be great or any others in the family
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth,
Had difficulty finding Martha and Georges marriage, eventually found using Martha Denham (not Denholm) and George Loundton. He was a labourer and both lived in parish of Dunbar.
Found on FreeReg and LDS Familysearch sites. However had no luck finding children of them. I was a bit confused with "Ann was the mother of Martha born about 1833 illegitimate" Are you sure this statement is correct, I didn't think it tied up with the marriage Martha Denham and George Loundton.
Tom
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My Martha b 1832-3 is the granddaughter of Martha Denham and George Lounton
their daughter Ann Lounton b 1812 had an illegitimate child at the age of 20 ish(given to me when I took a visit to Berwick archives )
on Census young Martha lives with her grandparents at Tweedmouth I have found an Ann Lounton
married to William Bratton of Sunderland m 1838 but not sure if this is my Ann.....Have entered this before on Rootschat
Got Martha's death certificate.. died 20.3.1908 at 4,Albert Street Spittal Berwick upon Tweed she is 75 wife of James Thompson
son present at the death John Thompson ( my grt grandfather )
thanks again
Elizabeth
I have some credits for Scotlandpeople will have a look a for Ann Lounton's birth
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Hi...
Not sure if anyone still on this thread but just noticed it..
My 6 x ggm was Margaret Denholm married to James Gibson at Coylton, 1773. I didn’t know that she was from Innerwick and her parents names ... James Denholm and Agnes Hunter. Does anyone have any more info about James and Agnes or info about James’ parents James Denholm and Jean Nisbit please ?
Many thanks.
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Hi Glitter123,
Not sure if your query is related to the previous one, however, I can see the banns/marriages called in Ochiltree and Coylton in Ayrshire, and also the baptism in Innerwick that you mention. How do you know it is the same person? Have you got evidence that family moved from East Lothian to Ayrshire?
Tom
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Hi...
Not sure if anyone still on this thread but just noticed it..
My 6 x ggm was Margaret Denholm married to James Gibson at Coylton, 1773. I didn’t know that she was from Innerwick and her parents names ... James Denholm and Agnes Hunter. Does anyone have any more info about James and Agnes or info about James’ parents James Denholm and Jean Nisbit please ?
Many thanks.
Regarding Margaret she is my 6 x great aunt, her parents were obviously my 6 x great grandparent, I have the following on Margaret. Baptised 15 April 1739 Thorntonloch,Innerwick Parish,Scotland
GRO Reference 711/2 Frame 539 This day James Denholme, Servant to John Davison, Tenant in Thortown and Jane Nisbet his spouse had a daughter baptised Margaret.Witnesses James Nisbet, Mason in Thorntown and Robert Cowan in Thortonmill.
I had Margaret married to David Fortune, on 20 Jan 1764 at Oldhamstocks. Would love to hear your version of Margarets tree,
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I realise that this is an old thread but I have only just joined the website and may be able to help. If anyone is still looking for any information on the Denholms of East Lothian or the Borders please contact me. I have traced the Denholms back to the 1700s and am happy to share any information. My father was Thomas Denholm from East Linton 1925-2009.
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Welcome Laurdergirl to Rootschat I'm sure someone may help you
My Denholm's are Martha Denholm who married George Lounton way back the family name was Lugdon
Martha and George finished up living in Berwick upon Tweed
I don't have any relatives for Martha b 1776-1860 at all
Elizabeth