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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: Treemaker on Friday 07 October 05 19:20 BST (UK)
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Hello list,
I have the following entry from the IGI that I could do with the full details from the marriage entry if at all possible:
Thomas BOOTH Sex: M
Marriage(s): Spouse: Betty JAMIESON
Marriage: 11 Dec 1814 Wilton, Roxburgh, Scotland
I think that Thomas BOOTH was my 4 x great grandfather, but he was from Halifax, Yorkshire. I am trying to piece together why he should leave to get married in Scotland. He later appears in Census records back in Yorkshire with a wife called "Betty" who was born in Scotland, so I am stabbing in the dark as to this being the correct marriage.
I wondered if the original record would give me any further clues.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Martin
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Hi,
Did a search on Scotlands people for you, but could find no record of a betty Jamieson marriage or thomas Booth for wilton for the year you specified.
I have done searches for myself in the past to double check info from IGI and not found the relivent records don't know how or why this happens is the IGI wrong or are records missing from Scotlands people?
Regards Lesley
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Hi Lesley,
Many thanks for taking the time to look for these people, although it is a strange situation that they are not recorded! I wonder where the problem lies?
Best wishes
Martin
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I wish I Knew the answer to that one. I know that my Grandfather was born in Castleton Dec 1904 and I can't find a record of that on Scotlands people! I also have an Annie Scott whom I'm sure was born in canonbie and I can't find that one either.
Lesley
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Hi Lesley,
This has got me scratching my head (I've got splinters in my fingers to prove it!). I wasn't aware of the "scotlands people" website until you mentioned it, so I have sent them an email asking why this strange situation exists. I will keep you posted with any reply I get.
Regards
Martin
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I have posted a notice on Genes Reunited to see if anyone else has had the same problem will let you know if I get any replies.
Lesley
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Hello again Lesley,
Just to update you I have had this reply from my email to Scotlands People:
"That record is on our site. The image however is not as it is an OPR but none of the OPR's images are available online yet.
There have been occasions in the past when the IGI index does not match with our own original records but this is usually because the dates have been transposed on the IGI.
For your own information the record is :
11/12/1814 BOOTH THOMAS BETTY JAMIESON/FR524 M WILTON 810/00 0005
I hope this helps
Regards
Alison
ScotlandsPeople"
I'm not quite sure what OPR's are...something Parish Registers? I've never come across the site before so it's all new to me. Maybe it might mean somthing to you?
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Hi went back to have a look tonight and yes it was there i feel a right twit but i promise it wasn't there when i looked the other night.
I have sent of for a certificate for myself so will let you know how much info you get of the certificate.
Regards Lesley
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Hi Lesley,
Thank you. I'll look forward to seeing what info is available
Regards
Martin
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I wish I Knew the answer to that one. I know that my Grandfather was born in Castleton Dec 1904 and I can't find a record of that on Scotlands people! I also have an Annie Scott whom I'm sure was born in canonbie and I can't find that one either.
Lesley
A Dec 1904 birth could well have been registered in January 2005, and that year's birth index and images won't come on line until Jan 2006 due to the 100 year closure period in force for births.
ibi
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I'm not quite sure what OPR's are...something Parish Registers? I've never come across the site before so it's all new to me. Maybe it might mean something to you?
OPR = the Old Parochial Registers, - the parish registers of the Established Church of Scotland.
ibi
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Hi recieved my certificate today very impressed with the speed but very disapointed with the info on it, the only extra info on it is the parish the Groom came from, no mention of parent names or address so not worth the £10 PAID.
Regards Lesley
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Hi Lesley,
Many thanks for the info - sorry there wasn't any more detail, but such is life!
Regards
Martin
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Hello Martin,
Did you also notice the following in the IGI:
Sarah BOOTH, christened 10 Oct 1816 Wilton Roxburgh Scotland, parents Thomas BOOTH and Betty JAMIESON.
Does Sarah appear in any of your later records in Yorkshire? That might help confirm that you have the right marriage.
Also, interestingly(?), there's a birth of a Thomas SCOTT, 4 May 1813 Wilton Roxburgh Scotland, parents William SCOTT and Betty JAMIESON; perhaps this is the same Betty having a child before she married Thomas BOOTH ...
It is impossible to know in advance what will appear in an entry in a church register - I've had ones which have nothing more than appears in the IGI but have also had very imformative entries. So who knows - the entries might say nothing more than the IGI but, on the other hand, might even mention where Thomas comes from and his occupation ...
If you live near an LDS Family History Centre - you can search for locations of these at
http://www.familysearch.org
- then ordering in the film(s) of the particular church register to consult at the FHC is a much cheaper option than purchasing copies of entries from GROS; added to which you might come across other entries of interest when you have the film(s) in front of you.
Good luck,
JAP
PS: There is some good information about Scottish research in the posts at the top of the Scotland General board. A couple which are very useful are Boongie Pam's posts at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
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Hi JAP,
Thanks for your input. I was aware of the IGI entries you mention and the following 1841 census record seems to back up those details:
1841 Census
Dwelling: Crabtrees, Heckmondwike, Yorkshire
Thomas BOOTH Head 50 Woollen labourer Yorkshire
Elizabeth BOOTH 55 Scotland
Thomas BOOTH 25 Woollen labourer Scotland
Mary BOOTH 15 Yorkshire
Sarah BOOTH 15 Yorkshire
Hugh BOOTH 13 Woollen labourer Yorkshire
Although it looks like Thomas (jnr) has now taken the BOOTH surname in favour of SCOTT, which is not uncommon.
I am more or less satisfied I have the correct marriage, I just wanted some extra info to put the icing on the cake, so to speak.
Regards
Martin
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Hi Martin,
Well, it will certainly be interesting to hear what all the church registers say if you manage to see them in due course.
JAP