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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Yip0905 on Wednesday 12 October 05 22:42 BST (UK)

Title: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: Yip0905 on Wednesday 12 October 05 22:42 BST (UK): Hi all

I wonder if there is anyone out there that could point me in the right direction?

I am at a brickwall with my ggg grandfather, John Hoadley.
Here is what I have found out about him:

1851 census - aged 17, born in Hellingly
1854 marriage cert - aged 21, father Henry, a farmer
1861 census - aged 27, born in Eastdean
1871 census - aged 38, born in Eastbourne
1881 census - aged 50, born in Rotherfield
1891 census - aged 56, born in Rotherfield
1901 census - aged 66, born in Rotherfield

As you can see, there are conflicting ages and birth places, but I know that each census entry is the same John Hoadley.

Does anyone have any ideas as to how I can find him amongst all this???

Any clues gratefully received ;D

Yip
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 12 October 05 22:49 BST (UK): Hi yip

First of all, welcome to rootschat and especially the Sussex Boards

I would not worry about the ages as they differ only very slightly - if you take the first age of 17 and continue it through, you arrive at 67, which is only 1 year out on the census information.

1851 census - aged 17, born in Hellingly 17
1854 marriage cert - aged 21, father Henry, a farmer
1861 census - aged 27, born in Eastdean 27
1871 census - aged 38, born in Eastbourne 37
1881 census - aged 50, born in Rotherfield 47
1891 census - aged 56, born in Rotherfield 57
1901 census - aged 66, born in Rotherfield 67

No problems as far as I can see

chris in 1066
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: Yip0905 on Wednesday 12 October 05 23:00 BST (UK): Hi Chris

Thanks for the welcome.

Perhaps I should have made my query a bit more specific - what I am trying to find is a record of John's baptism.

There is nothing on the IGI that ties up to the information I have gleaned, and quite a few years ago I checked the Hellingly PR's, to no avail. The Rotherfield PR's have no John HOADL(E)Y's either.

It would seem that John didn't know where he was born, which doesn't bode well for me! :'(

Ah well, who said genealogy was easy??!!!

Yip
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: gougy on Wednesday 12 October 05 23:04 BST (UK): I guess you have the 1881 listing for Henry Hoadley?

Henry HOADLEY     Head     M     Male     67     East Chiltington, Sussex,     Farmer 116 Acres Employ 2 Lab
Elizabeth HOADLEY     Wife     M     Female     65     Chailey, Sussex,     Farmers Wife
Esther BATCHELOR     Dau     M     Female     45     Chailey, Sussex,

    Dwelling    Tanyard Farm
   Census Place    Fletching, Sussex, England
    Piece / Folio    1055 / 81
    Page Number    1

OOPS! Think maybe this is not your Henry - found this on http://www.thesussexweald.org/P3.asp?PID=4552DaneHl

1851   Farmer   Henry Hoadley, M, Head, married, age 37, born East Chiltington, Sussex, employs 4 people
Elizabeth Hoadley, F, Wife, married, age 35, born Chailey, Sussex
Esther Hoadley, F, Daughter, single, age 15, born Chailey, Sussex
John Hoadley, M, Son, single, age 12, born Chailey, Sussex   Scholar
Thomas Hoadley, M, Son, single, age 10, born Chailey, Sussex

Anything to do with your Hoadleys?
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 12 October 05 23:09 BST (UK): Yip

As your John was 17 in 1851 - one can assume he was about 7 on the 1841 census.

I have checked the 1841 census for the 4 places that John gave for his birth place in later census

Hellingly - No entries for Hoadley or variants
East Dean - 3 entries of Hoadley - but non of them has an Henry or a 7 year old John
Eastbourne - No Hoadley entries
Rotherfield - No entries found, but the pages are not very brilliant on this one, ink has bled into the paper - but nothing looks like Hoadley.

Incidentally, where was he married?

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: Yip0905 on Wednesday 12 October 05 23:13 BST (UK): Thanks for the replies Gougy and Chris.

I appreciate the help enormously ;D

Looks like I will just have to keep searching, and hope that one day something turns up.

Thanks again

Yip
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 12 October 05 23:18 BST (UK): Yip

Gougy mentioned that an Henry gave his birth place as East Chiltington

checked the 1841 for John, son of Henry; but although there was one entry for HOADLY and 5 entries for HOADLEY - non of them matched your criteria.

Sorry about that

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: Yip0905 on Wednesday 12 October 05 23:20 BST (UK): Thanks for checking that out Chris.

Very much appreciated :)

Yip
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: gougy on Thursday 13 October 05 10:39 BST (UK): here's another Henry b. 1805, married c. 1835, could just about be John's father, but no sign of the elusive fella!!

1841 Census
Pick Pale Farm , Burnt Oak Rd., Crowborough

Henry Hoadley, M, Head, age 36, born Sussex
Anne Hoadley, F, [Wife], age 33, born Sussex
Susanna Hoadley, F, [Daughter], age 5, born Sussex
Henry Hoadley, M, [Son], age 3, born Sussex
Allis Hoadley, F, [Daughter], age 1, born Sussex

This Henry's father was Henry too, b. abt 1781 Rotherfield married Hannah bc. 1785 in abt. 1804 Rotherfield - check out Hoadleys, Hoadlys, Hoads, Hodes, etc. etc. at http://www.theweald.org/N10.asp?NId=149072

:)
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: sillgen on Thursday 13 October 05 19:17 BST (UK): I would be concerned that Rotherfield is not exactly close to Eastbourne. In fact it is miles away! Andrea
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: gougy on Thursday 13 October 05 19:24 BST (UK): Could it be Easebourne mistranscribed?
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: sillgen on Thursday 13 October 05 19:30 BST (UK): That would create a chaos! It is in West Sussex and even more miles away. Interesting thought though. It has happened before.
I have now looked at the census records from 1861 on and it is obviously the same man with wife Maria born Benenden Kent in all the records. The 1881 has ditto marks for Rotherfield so may have been an enumerator's error but the 91 and 1901 actually have it written out. Very odd. It probably means a visit to Lewes Record office if at all possible and just trawling through all the local parish registers until you find him. Otherwise getting the films from your local LDS centre. A long job ahead!
Andrea
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: Yip0905 on Thursday 13 October 05 22:14 BST (UK): Hi all

Thanks for all the input :)

That Henry is a possibility - I'll have to check that out.

With the Eastbourne, I have had a look at the original (through Ancestry) and it definately looks like Eastbourne not Easebourne to me.

As you say Sillgen, a long job ahead!

Once again, thank you all.

Yip
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: emmatwiglet on Sunday 17 September 06 12:05 BST (UK): My family name is Hoadley
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: sillgen on Sunday 17 September 06 12:49 BST (UK): Hi emmatwiglet
Welcome to Rootschat. Do your Hoadley family come from Sussex?
Andrea
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: emmatwiglet on Sunday 17 September 06 14:38 BST (UK): No from East London.
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: snoulton on Sunday 19 November 06 17:45 GMT (UK): Hello, hope this may help you

East Dean PR's [East Sussex]

23 March 1834 John Townsend Hoadley was christened, the son of Henry and Ann Hoadley

Henry Hoadley married Ann Bond 23 June 1833 at East Dean

Regards........Brenda
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: Daisypetal on Monday 20 November 06 10:07 GMT (UK): Hi,

Could this be John in 1841 with his BOND relatives,

1841 HO107/1118/12 f.6 p.5 East Dean

John BONDS 60 Ag Lab
Susan    67
James    30
John    26
Susan       14
William     11
John HOADLEY 7 All born in County

Regards
Daisy
Title: Re: John HOADL(E)Y
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 20 November 06 14:19 GMT (UK): Hi

This looks like the marriage of John & Susan

Location: East Dean, East Sussex, Date: 3 Nov 1803:
Groom: John BONDS, East Dean
Bride: Susan SMITH, widow from East Dean

Chris in 1066

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