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Title: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: kilmartin on Thursday 20 October 05 10:47 BST (UK)
William Trewartha married Elizabeth Hitchens 2 Dec 1823 at St Clement, Cornwall.  WIlliam was described as 'of Kenwyn'.  They had subsequently moved to Cardiff, South Wales by 1841.

The 1851 census gives William Trewartha's age as 51 from Truro, Cornwall.

The 1861 census gives William Trewartha's age as 62.  His place of birth is a difficult to read place in Cornwall - it looks a bit like Crantask or Cranbash.  The closest I can think of is Crantock.  Any Ideas?   Is it possibly even a small area near Truro?

Elizabeth Hitchens was 51 in 1851 and 62 in 1861.  On each census she gives her place of birth as Redruth.

I am having trouble locating the christening records of this couple.  I had hoped it would be easier to trace the Cornish side of the family as these names are not that common.

Any help would be very welcome.
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: gougy on Thursday 20 October 05 16:23 BST (UK)
Found this on a defunct webpage:

http://www.miketree.co.uk/trewartha/f56.htm#P341 (http://www.miketree.co.uk/trewartha/f56.htm#P341) link updated 2014 now looks to be working

William TREWARTHA married Elizabeth HITCHENS
Married Tuesday 2 December 1823, St Clement

William:

      Christened Sunday 17 March 1799, Gwennap
      Died BEF Thursday 1 July 1869, Newport, Mon


Elizabeth:

      Born ABT 1799
      Died BEF Sunday 1 April 1877, Newport, Mon


Gwennap OPC records list:

William,s of William & Ann TREWARTHA, 17th Mar 1799

Elizabeth HITCHINS, base child of Joel Hitchins & Mary Michell, 7th July 1799

Elizabeth, d of Malachi & Ann HITCHINS, 9th Oct 1799

Elizabeth, d of John & Ann HITCHINS, 22nd Apr 1798



There's a couple of Elizabeths listed on IGI for 1799, one in Ruan Major and the other at Kenwyn.

Now that's all fine and dandy but I then found this here...
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CORNISH/2002-02/1014472596

"William TREWARTHA bap 17th March 1799, Gwennap
married 25th December 1822, Gwennap, to Elizabeth BARRETT

Trying to find info on his parents, William TREWARTHA and Ann ?. No marriage certificate found in Cornwall. Two possibilities so far suggested"



but his back on the defunct site..
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:0CKaIUWJVkoJ:www.miketree.co.uk/trewartha/f62.htm+%22william+trewartha%22+%22elizabeth+barret%22&hl=en

William TREWARTHA  married Elizabeth BARRET

      Married Wednesday 25 December 1822, Gwennap

      William:
            Born ABT 1797
            Died Trevethan
            Buried Friday 21 March 1845, Gwennap

      Elizabeth:
            Born ABT 1797
            Died Bus Veal
            Buried Monday 19 February 1855, Gwennap


I'll leave you to sort that lot out ;)
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: kilmartin on Friday 04 November 05 09:45 GMT (UK)
Thanks Gougy for your response.  It is a confusing area with William Trewatha's and Elizabeth Hitchens born in Cornwall around this time to be certain that I have the right ones who married at St Clement in 1823 and subsequently moved to South Wales.

I am a bit uneasy that both William and Elizabeth were born at Gwennap as I would have thought in the census they would have given the same place of birth.  Elizabeth always gave Redruth and William never gave Redruth as a place of birth.  Gwennap is nearer Redruth so maybe Elizabeth was born there.  I would not rule out the William from Gwennap as he could have moved when he was young and been unaware of his true place of birth - the date is cetainly comfortable.  One thing is certain is that William Trewartha christened 17 March 1799 in Gwennap did not die in Gwennap 1845 and Newport in the 1870s even if he did marry an Elizabeth.  How confusing!

One thing which may be significant is a visitor with William and Elizabeth in 1851 was a Catherine Beckerley born London (c1828).  I notice on the IGI most Beckerleys were from Cornwall.  Maybe she was related to William or Elizabeth.  If anyone notices a connection with the name Beckerley and either Trewartha or Hitchens I would be pleased to know.

Any more ideas?
Kilmartin
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: ruthvirr on Friday 19 December 14 00:48 GMT (UK)
Hi
New to the family search thing and finding out its a complete minefield!!

I believe that I am related to Trewartha's, which has come as a surprise to me as I thought all my family originated from Wales apart from my Great Grandfather who came from Norway!

My great grandfather Johan Bernhard Johanson was born in Norway and married Mary Elizabeth Davies. Her mother was Mary Jane Trewartha. Her first husband was Herbert Davies, but when widowed, she remarried and became a Heard.

Mary Jane Trewartha's parents were William Trewartha (1799) and Elizabeth Hitchens.(1797) I must say, it has been very confusing so far and that's attempting to research family from this country so I know I'll have my work cut out with the Norwegian lot!!!

Ruth
 :D
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: sarah on Monday 22 December 14 10:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Ruth,

Welcome to RootsChat  :D

I have had a look at gougy's link and have managed to find and update to a live website here is a link to the Mary Jane Trewartha.... there are quite a few 

http://www.miketree.co.uk/trewartha/snt.htm#TREWORTHA

Regards

Sarah :)
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: ruthvirr on Monday 22 December 14 11:44 GMT (UK)
Many thanks Sarah

Just had a look quick look.. needs closer inspection I feel! Also noticed a William Hitchens Trewartha B 1839 in Cardiff!!! ?? as to whether there is any connection.  :-\

Regards Ruth   :)

Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 22 December 14 12:11 GMT (UK)
How about this from 1851 census?

Class: HO107; Piece: 2453; Folio: 21; Page: 2
Mile Road, Castletown, Marshfield, Monmouthshire

Trewarthen, William  Head  M  51  Police Constable  b Truro, Cornwall
Trewarthen, Elizabeth  Wife  F  51  b Redruth, Cornwall
Trewarthen, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  20  Straw Bonnet Maker  b Penzance, Cornwall
Trewaerthen, Lavinia  Daughter  F  18  Straw Bonnet Maker  b Penzance
Trewarthen, William  Son  M  12  Scholar  b Cardiff
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: kilmartin on Thursday 22 January 15 21:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Ruth,

Your Mary Jane Trewartha was the sister of Lavinia Trewartha who appears on my tree.  They were daughters of William and Elizabeth Trewartha as shown in the previous post in Castletown. William Trewatha was actually born in Crantock, Cornwall and Elizabeth Hitchens was born in Redruth.  Thanks  to help from Rootschatters I have made good progress on the Trewartha line since I originally posted this message. William Trewartha was the son of another William Trewartha and Jane Martyn.  There are a few related very informative posts in the Cornwall Forum which should help fill out some background. One which helped identify that our William Trewartha was from Crantock and a few about the Martyn family of Crantock/St Columb Minor.

Please contact me if I can be of help

Kilmartin
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: kilmartin on Thursday 22 January 15 21:06 GMT (UK)
William Hitchens Trewartha born Cardiff was brother to your Mary Jane Trewartha.
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: CML7 on Sunday 08 April 18 18:33 BST (UK)
Hello there,

I was looking for some information about my relatives and came across your posts. I was very interested to find names of people in my family tree.
William Trewartha and Elizabeth Hitchins are my Great Great Great Grandparents. I am a Lewis from Wales. My uncle never liked his middle name Trewartha, but he is J T Lewis, born 1926. He has a twin sister, M, and both of them are still alive.

Best wishes

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Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: kilmartin on Sunday 08 April 18 22:24 BST (UK)
Hi,

I presume you are from Herbert Lewis line. We connect through his brother Arthur Lewis. Again William Trewartha is 3xgreat Grandfather. We have researched quite a while and would be happy to share findings though much of our Trewartha knowledge is detailed in posts on Rootchat - kindly helped by the lovely Rootschat community.

Kind Regards
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: CML7 on Sunday 08 April 18 22:41 BST (UK)
Yes, Herbert Harold Lewis b 1893 d 1990 was my grandfather. I will have a closer look at all the info available on Rootschat.

 
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: kilmartin on Sunday 08 April 18 22:49 BST (UK)
Hi,

You should also check the Martyns of St Columb Minor as there is so much on this family in this forum. William Trewartha's mother was Jane Martyn who married another William Trewartha.

Have you done much research into the Welsh side?

Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: dawnsh on Monday 09 April 18 11:14 BST (UK)
Hi CM Lewis

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

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Happy hunting here!

Dawn
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: diabak on Monday 21 May 18 13:25 BST (UK)
I am a Trewartha/Andrewartha researcher, and I have William  Trewartha and Elizabeth Hitchins in my database, but not connected to the wider Trewartha tree. Does anyone have his parents?
Cheers
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 21 May 18 14:44 BST (UK)
Any clues? Such as dates? ;D
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: diabak on Monday 21 May 18 22:17 BST (UK)
They married in St Clement in 1823, 7 children bapt 1823 to 1833, St Gluvius to St Hillary.
someone has a bapt date for William as 1798 in Crantock. My heritage has a little on marriages for the children, but nothing on parents of William.
Di
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 21 May 18 22:56 BST (UK)
Cornwall-OPC-Database lists 6 baptisms of a William Trewartha, between 1880 and 1810.
5 of them are at Gwennap; 1 is at Illogan.

On marriage, William is of Kenwyn?
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: Ayashi on Monday 21 May 18 22:58 BST (UK)
I was going to mention the huge Trewartha one name study tree but I can see I was beaten to it. I didn't know that tree no longer existed though. I did copy it down but I can't seem to find some of what is being mentioned so I can't look that up. I took some of the earlier entries slightly with a pinch of salt because of not being able to corroborate any of it and I think it is a lot of patchwork, mainly involving wills.

If anyone here has ancestors who appeared on that tree then we might well be related, as my line also appeared on it.

My 4xgt grandparents William RICHARDS to Persis TREWARTHA (1805) -> Peter TREWARTHA (c. 1779) and Persis WILLIAMS -> Peter TREWARTHA (c. 1754) and Susannah WILLIAMS -> Robert TREWARTHA (c. 1703) and Ann RALPH -> Robert TREWARTHA (c. 1664) and Philippa ROWE -> Robert TREWARTHA (c. 1635) and Tamsin JACK -> Collan TREWARTHA (d. 1659) and unknown wife (according to tree, not my research) -> William TREWARTHA (d. 1622) and Jone (again not my research) -> father disputed between my cousins.

Up to Robert and Tamsin JACK is supported by Ancestry DNA.

I also have Thomas HITCHENS and Grace BARRETT (m. 1776 Gwennap) and Mary HITCHENS who married Henry WILLIAMS (m. 1745 Gwennap).

Just to throw my slightly related tuppence in there.
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: diabak on Monday 21 May 18 23:28 BST (UK)
Yes, but that could mean lived there only, there  are no bapts, there for him.
One source says he is the s/o William ad Jane Martyn, but nothing on COPC, and the IGI is not much confirmation.
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: sarra on Wednesday 23 May 18 07:35 BST (UK)
I am a Trewartha/Andrewartha researcher, and I have William  Trewartha and Elizabeth Hitchins in my database, but not connected to the wider Trewartha tree. Does anyone have his parents?
Cheers
diabak,  I have Andrewartha ancestors too.  I came across an Andrewartha researcher quite a few years ago , he said that our ancestry came from one John Trewartha c.1598 Gwithian, Cornwall. However I can't recall why he said that the name was changed to "Andrewartha".
Sarra
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: diabak on Wednesday 23 May 18 08:40 BST (UK)
That, more than likely, was John Smith, from Sydney, who has sadly since died.  He was a mine of information. The original was Trewartha, who split to Andrewartha early in 16th century, then Watha, Andrew, Andrews, and many others. So we are all related,
If you need help with your family check Wikitree.
Di
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: Ayashi on Wednesday 23 May 18 11:48 BST (UK)
On the topic of Trewartha/Andrewartha etc- Laurie, who was one of the people who made the Mike Tree page, had this to say to me a few years back:

"A note on Roger Barkacke.  When you have traced the TREWARTHAs back to the top of the tree you will find Roger BARKACKE or TREWARTHA or ANDREWARTHA, a somewhat shadowy figure.*  He did exist at about the right time, but I am not sure that he is actually the proto-TREWARTHA.  You may be puzzled about his multiple names unless you know a little about Cornish names.  If you do know even a little about the subject don't bother to read on, as you know as much as I.  ANDREWARTHA is the same as TREWARTHA with the addition of (I am told) a definite article.  As a rule before the 20th century you do not find both names recorded in one place.  Where families move to a place where the other form is current they appear with that name. Very occasionally a family member is recorded with the other form from the rest of his family. Whether this was by design or by the whim of the local vicar it is not possible to say. Roger had a grandson John TREWARTHA, whose son Philip ANDREWARTHA, born in 1642, was the progenitor of most of the existing ANDREWARTHAs, though, as I said, some may have picked up the name by moving into a TREWARTHA area. As Scottish crofters still are (I understand) Cornish farmers were known by the names of their farms.  Roger would have farmed at Trewartha (the place at the top).  The TREWARTHAS were "the folks who live on the hill". (One or two people Anglicised the name to UPTON.)  Unfortunately the name is not unique and there is research as to where it was. Probably at St Agnes."

* Note that this is the guy that my cousins disagree about being the father of William. I haven't researched it and have no opinion either way.
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: sarra on Thursday 24 May 18 04:31 BST (UK)
That, more than likely, was John Smith, from Sydney, who has sadly since died.  He was a mine of information. The original was Trewartha, who split to Andrewartha early in 16th century, then Watha, Andrew, Andrews, and many others. So we are all related,
If you need help with your family check Wikitree.
Di
Di,
Yes that was the gentleman (John Smith), that's sad I did not know that he died.
And yes we are all related as he told me.  I will certainly check Wikitree not that I'm searching for anymore ancestors - think I have enough "Andrewarthas" for now.

Sarra
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: kilmartin on Thursday 07 June 18 23:04 BST (UK)
Hi Di,

William Trewartha was baptised in Crantock, son of William and Jane. He married Elizabeth Hitchens in St Clements 2 Dec 1823. His father also William Trewartha married Jane Martyn also in St Clements 30 Jul 1794. We think he was the William Trewartha who was buried in Kenwyn 14 Dec 1852.  His wife Jane Martyn was well connected and was baptised in Crantock dec 1780, daughter of Thomas Martyn and Ann King. The Martyns hailed from St Columb Minor and Crantock.

The second William Trewartha (born c1771) was most likely the son of James Trewartha and Mary Goldsworthy married Feock 27 Aug 1769. James was baptised in Gwennap 29 Dec 1730 son of William Trewartha and Mary Bishop.  This seems the likely line for our William Trewartha into the know Trewartha ancestry tree.  There are many alternative William's who aren't 'claimed' by other lines and have the right sort of connections to marry into the Martyn family (there are a couple of interesting related threads on the St Columb Minor Martyns on this forum you might like to check out).

Kind Regards
Kilmartin
Title: Re: Trewartha/Hitchens
Post by: kilmartin on Thursday 07 June 18 23:10 BST (UK)
Hi Di,

I forgot to mention I have seen the 1798 Crantock parish register which includes William Trewartha's Christening. It was one of those family history eureka moments!

Kilmartin