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Scotland / Re: James Moir and janet Davidson married Dec 27th 1817
« on: Tuesday 26 May 20 08:12 BST (UK)  »
thank you for your response. I am well aware of what you were saying. At 81 and an inspector in education I have had some experience in such matters. BUT it does make a difference if in fact there was a genuine reason fort he changes.
Re Inverury: It was definitely explained how the variations occurred. It is not just a case of who could spell.
Re the Spelling of the places I have  maps dating right back with the variations listed on each particular map.
Re the idea of More and Moir being in the hands of the scribe - that is definitely a possibility. However More was the name of people who came into Scotland via Ireland, and for some as far back as Israel via Africa. They also were a variation of Moor and Moir is Gaelic word for Big and so all these variations do have significance if looked into and can often provide a valuable clue.
Having been at this for over 40 years and with boxes of data we can discus this at length.
I appreciate your response.

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Scotland / Re: James Moir and janet Davidson married Dec 27th 1817
« on: Tuesday 26 May 20 02:39 BST (UK)  »
I have been looking for a clear resolution for the parents of James More for neigh on 40 years and still I am no closer to an answer I can accept.
The latest I observed yesterday was shown as all the details were correct after his marriage but not hei birth. It was shown as Inverness. No where in any of the original documents I have is inverness shown. The only reference to his birth place is in the census returns. They show Inverury and once shows the new accepted name of Inverurie. The original name was Inverurie and for some reason the version Inverury was use. Because it was apparently confusing with Inverarity and one other the City decide to use Inverury and the Officials in the Government accepted that the name to use.
Because James was James MORE in his marriage - I have an authorised copy of the marriage certificate where he is named as James MORE that is definite. His first 4 children were named and recorded as MORE there can only be 2 outcomes. Either the Minister could not spell the local idiom or James decided to change to the local version more accepted (maybe) and so the change occurred. Because I have a confirmation that the family were involved in Pharmaceuticals at Legatesden and afterwards at Little Blackton they may have decided to change their name to upgrade themselves. The meaning of MOIR is big and that apparently can apply to size of stature or a higher stua in life. Because Moir men are generally over 6 feet that is the usual explanation. The book Wee Geordie was about an athlete near Bennichie named George Moir and he was around 6ft 2 inches - my height. He was a top caber and ball tosser (needs explaining to some) and won a lot of challenges in the various Highland Games.
After all that I would like to know how the searcher that listed the parents and place of his family at that time to be Inverness. There is also a listing for Glass. In both cases I can find any correlation. The family have had a tradition of naming their children in a fairly constant pattern.
I will see what eventuates

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Scotland / Re: James Moir and janet Davidson married Dec 27th 1817
« on: Friday 01 May 20 12:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi Jenni.

I finally tracked down a source of data and with that a few more references for you to look up.
The following is from the national Library in Australia.
It clearly shows the marriage you mentioned - it appears to be the marriage of Alexanders son.
Dear John,

Thank you for contacting the National Library of Australia.

I believe you are interested in locating information relating to your Scottish ancestor Alexander More. You have indicated he arrived 1848 on board the Charlotte Jane and may have been married to Sarah Mackeridge.

I have located a copy of the 8 October 1848 passenger record for Alexander Moir on board the Charlotte Jane. The surname is spelt Moir not More. This could be a spelling error. You can access a copy of this passenger record or the complete passenger list via the State Records of NSW. This record indicates he was a farm servant, 27 years, Presbyterian and was from Chapel of Garioch, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.

I have searched the NSW marriage index via the NSW Births, Deaths and Marriage Registry Office website. The closest match I was able to locate was a 1885 marriage record for Alexander Moir to Sarah Muckeridge in Sydney, please find details below. If this is the same Alexander Moir then this would make him approximately 64 years of age at the time of marriage. If you would like a copy of the certificate, please contact the NSW Births, Deaths and Marriage Registry Office. The following could be helpful: What you can expect to see on an historical* AUS BDM certificate


Groom: Alexander Moir
Bride:Sarah Muckeridge
District: Sydney
Year: 1885
Registration number:2021

You also may like to search for Australian records via the Ancestry (Library edition) database. This database is usually restricted to onsite use but due to the COVID-19 pandemic registered National Library of Australia users can access this database until 31st May 2020.There is no cost to join. Fill in the online registration form and a card will be posted out to you. Once you have your Library card you can login with your User ID (number on the back of your library card) and surname via the eResources portal or catalogue to access the Ancestry (Library edition) database or other licenced resources. You will be able to download records or print images from the Ancestry (Library edition) database. Please refer to the eResources guide page for more information about how to access databases offsite.

You can access Scottish records using the National Records of Scotland official government website called Scotlands People. You can freely search for records on this database but you will have to pay to access any records.

The National Library of Scotland has a guide on researching your Scottish family history that you may find helpful.

You may like to search in Trove using your ancestors name. The following links will provide Trove search tips:Trove Help videos & Searching newspapers and gazettes

I hope this information is of assistance and good luck with your family history research.

Kind Regards,

Leisa Fox
Reference Librarian
Reader Services
National Library of Australia
I hope you find this useful.

Regards J


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Scotland / Re: James Moir and janet Davidson married Dec 27th 1817
« on: Friday 01 May 20 03:22 BST (UK)  »
Hi Folks:
Much water under the bridge. However a few new facts have emerged that may lead to a clearer idea about our James. It is clear that he was originally JAMES MORE when he was married and for the births of his first 4 children so that is narrowing the amount of data to be scanned.
In a letter to a descendent of Alexander More (2nd son of James More) stated that the family were involved in pharmaceutical while at Legatesden (old spelling version was Leggets Den) pre 1829 and may account for the buying of properties for the sons - David at Ordiquihill, Alexander (no idea as he has only recently come into focus in Australia), allowing Jonathon to greatly expand Little Blackton and James More to be heavily involved at Caple Castle and James Moir the 5th son to have a property near Forres. All yet to be clarified.

So if Jenni could let me know a contact detail I have extra news about her ancestor's marriage she wanted facts on.

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Kincardineshire / Re: James Moir
« on: Wednesday 05 July 17 05:35 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone interested in the Moir name.

I am back on the hunt for the parents of James Moir born around 1795 and died 16th August 1865 buried in the Alvah Cemetery.
Lived in the area between Inverurie and Chapel of Garioch. Was on farms such as Rescivet and Leggats Den (spellings have altered over time)
He married Janet Davidson in 1817 and they had the following children James, Alexander (who moved to Australia in around 1846), David, Isobel (first 4 named MORE) then John, James, Janet and Jean (these latter siblings were named MOIR. All Christened in Chapel of Garioch)
They later move to Alvah to a property called Little Blackton.
In one or more of the Christenings the name Helen Moir is listed as a witness. I have no knowledge of a Helen Moir in any other reference. I wondered if she may have been a sister or mother of James.
If any one has any clues on his birth I would appreciate it. There was nor reference to his birth on his death certificate nor grave stone.

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Kincardineshire / Re: Date of death for Andrew Moir
« on: Wednesday 16 October 13 03:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi:

I am interested in your Andrew Moir. Where was he born and where did he reside? In particular did he have children by the names of James born around 1783 and Helen?
They may even be registered at More in some recordings.
If they were born or were living in the Inverurie area I would be most interested.

JM

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Scotland / Re: James Moir and janet Davidson married Dec 27th 1817
« on: Monday 07 October 13 00:10 BST (UK)  »
Hi Malky,

Yes I was aware of the Andrew Moir family that mostly were listed in Inverurie. We did not think they lined up with family names for the family of James. Tradition dies hard especially in those earlier years. So the Jury is still out re Andrew.
The only factor that keeps him in the loop is he also had a daughter Helen. There is a Helen who married Jonathan Davie and they both were witnesses to some of James children.
There was a James Moir in Aberdeen who I believe may have been a minister. There were a few about which, unless the family members fill in some details on the death certificate, make it difficult to sort.
J

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Scotland / James Moir and janet Davidson married Dec 27th 1817
« on: Sunday 06 October 13 00:08 BST (UK)  »
Well after a computer malfunction and a complete clean up program with a virus or 3 I have a new computer and by chance a link up with this chat room.

Hence I would like to catch up with Jenni if possible to make the arrangement we started some time back . Any other descendants of the above couple I would love to contact to see if we can go back earlier due to an impass with a lack of details particularly on the death cert..

John
McMon30

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Scotland / Re: completed more/moir
« on: Monday 08 February 10 22:43 GMT (UK)  »
I seek information on a James Moir christened 12/2/1786 in Kilmadock Perth Scotland.

If there are any decendents who can assist me with what happened to him I would be pleased to hear from you.

Mcmon30

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