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Worcestershire / Re: Quarry Bank records
« on: Thursday 19 February 09 12:54 GMT (UK)  »
I have found and confirmed all but one of the baptisms belowfrom filmed
entries on the iGI ( as opposed to those entries submitted by church members
which are always highly suspect and occasionally deliberately false)
 
There are a number of non-verifiable entries relating to a marriage in 1777
between John Worton and Ann Smith. An LDS membr has also put up all those baptisms at Old Swinford 
 as being children to this couple rather than John and Ann Badnage but
since the marriage itself isnt proven i discount those entries.

Here is a list of definite  baptisms to John and Ann (whoever that Ann may be)
 
at Old Swinford
 
25/12/1778 Samuel                       
19/9/1784  John
12/8/1787  Sarah
25/12/1788 Nancy   (d 12/2/1792)
26/12/1790 William
31/1/1792  John 
15/2/1795  Thomas
22/2/1796  William
5/6/1796   William  (d 1/2/1799)
 
then at Halesowen
 
3/4/1796   John
3/6/1798   Ann
10/10/1802 Israel
22/4/1804  Frederick (but b Dec 1803)
 
then at Cradley
 
24/6/1804 Jemima (but b 14/12/1800)
24/6/1804 Samuel
13/6/1806 Ann
13/8/1809 Samuel 
 
I doubt these 3 sets are all for the same couple so I must consider only the 3
others at Halesowen to be definite siblings of Israel until further evidence is
forthcoming.

You said that Jemima shows as witness to Israel's wedding so must be a sister. The above entries suggest that as a possibility BUT

Why was Jemima baptised out of sequence? Later children get baptised before her.

Frederick's baptism shows a birthdate in december then Jemima is baptised same day as Samuel but that is less than 9 months after Frederick's birth date (assuming Samuel was an infant)

Why baptise in 1 church in April then a different one in June?

It looks like this is as far back as I can get for Israel Worton.

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Surrey Completed Look up Requests / Re: Bermondsey Census 1841-61 Stuttards
« on: Wednesday 07 January 09 14:53 GMT (UK)  »
Just revisiting my old postings and find my thanks never reached the site.

Apologies and belated thanks.

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Hampshire & IOW Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1891 - lookup Emma WORDEN
« on: Wednesday 07 January 09 14:47 GMT (UK)  »
Terribly sorry - I was never notified about your response. I must have also forgotten about this forum some time back until recently googling for anyone interested in another surname in an obscure Worcestershire parish and found my old postings and found this unanswered query.

My surname is Stuttard and I have been researching the histiory of the name since 2000/2001. Francis was not part of my own direct line I am sorry to say.

Geoff Stuttard

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Worcestershire / Re: Quarry Bank records
« on: Monday 08 December 08 10:11 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Donna and Linell

Sorry Donna my mistake Uno & Ino were children of Israel & Harriet's son Thomas and his wife Ann Penn (nee Wooldridge who had a very short previous marriage) Thomas was born 1844 and married Ann in Christ church, Quarry bank in 1863.

he arrives on Teesside between the 1871 census (smethwick) and birth of daughter Sarah on teesside in 1873. His brother Samuel preceded him also had a son that year on Teesside.

Thomas's first son was named Jonah which was the name of the father of John Worton of Pensnett who preceded  both Samuel and Thomas to Teesside by several years suggesting a connection.

My wife's direct line is via Thomas daughter Uno b 1876 who had an illegitimate daughter Mabel in 1900 then married a year later. Mabel was my wife's grandmother.

My research is available for view at Genes Reunited and also Ancestry's Worldconnect project.

I presume then that Israel's children were baptised in the parish church for Old Swinsford?

My query about Israel's religion arose from the unusual names he used for his children including many biblical names frequently used by Jewish families plus a couple of his Teesside descendents married into Jewish families.

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Many thanks again.

Geoff

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Worcestershire / Re: Quarry Bank records
« on: Friday 05 December 08 15:39 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks

I fully appreciate that once you get back before 1800 the records are thin on the ground from my own direct lines mostly in Pendle area of Lancashire or in North yorkshire. Bizarrely the only line I have really good is a Smith line from a tiny parish in Huntingdonshire which is almost complete to before 1700.

I got Quarry bank from census birthplace entries.

In 1841 census Israel is 35 and 2 entries earlier is Joseph Worton 35 with son Israel 18 amongst others.

Previous 2 entries on facing page are of William Worton aged 23 with wife Sarah and another William Worton 40 with wife Mary so i expected these all to be related - William Israel and Joseph all brothers for example. I hoped your registers might have been able to confirm that.

Was Israel baptised at the main parish church in Halesowen?

I wondered about his religion  as he named his children with a mix of biblical names like Benjamin, Solomon and Samuel but also some
odd ones like Comfort and Ono. Ono had a daughter Uno (which both census and registrars insisted on calling Una!) and a son Ino leading to a family joke about Uno and Ino! Is it possible the Wortons were Quakers or of Jewish ancestry?

Incidentally on Teesside another Worton family beat them too it. Jonah's son John from Pensnett settled there with wife Hannah. i wondered if they were connected too or is that a little further away?

Best wishes
Geoff.

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Worcestershire / Re: Quarry Bank records
« on: Thursday 04 December 08 14:41 GMT (UK)  »
Linell

Do you have info on the Worton family of Quarry bank by any chance?

My wife descends from a descendent of Israel & Harriet Worton. Their son Thomas married in 1844 and subsequently he and his younger brother Samuel moved to Teesside by 1873 (both have children born there that year)

Israel Worton had previously been married to Mary Bache and was born ca 1803. he is in Quarry bank in 1841 census with several other Worton households on the same page.

I would like details of his 2 marriages, baptisms of his children and if possible details of his own baptism and thus details of ghis parents and siblings.

If you can see any of these in your PRs for Cradley I would be most grateful.


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Hampshire & IOW Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1891 - lookup Emma WORDEN
« on: Sunday 06 November 05 11:03 GMT (UK)  »
I think you may find her name was father's name was Charles WORDON. Her birth was registered in 1885 as Emma WORDON. Not sure when her father died but mother Louisa remarried to Francis Stuttard in 1899.  I believed she subsequently married William Lott who was in the RAF.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: death look up in Burnley, 1838
« on: Sunday 06 November 05 10:52 GMT (UK)  »
Martin Stuttard died Feb 1838 in Colne aged 38 buried St Bartholomews Churchyard in Colne 18th February 1838.

Martin son of William & Jane (nee Tattersall) b 1 November 1798 was baptised at St Bartholomews 13th Dec 1798. He was a stonemason. He married Sarah Sugden at St Bartholomews 3rd July 1835  no children known. Widow living in Market street Colne in 1841,51 and 61 census in the home of her sister Mary dying in 1863 aged 68.

If there is another Martin Stuttard you are looking for please get in touch geoff.stuttard@ntlworld.com

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Heathcotes in Rotherham 1851
« on: Sunday 20 February 05 14:12 GMT (UK)  »
Lookup request please in 1851 Census for Rotherham for Emily Heatchote expected age 11/12 Parents Thomas and Ann.

Thanks

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