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Australia / Re: Issacher TRUDGIAN/TRUDGEON
« on: Saturday 08 May 10 09:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi Clarke
Yes got your final message.  I am on my L plates as well!!!!  Will check this out and get back to you.  I got this information from my father whose maternal relations are Trudgeons.  It could quite possibly be a misspelling. Will let you know what I find out anyway.
Cheers
Carolyn

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Australia / Re: Issacher TRUDGIAN/TRUDGEON
« on: Sunday 25 April 10 05:29 BST (UK)  »
Ellen
I know it has been some time since I posted but here I am with more information on Issacher Trudgeon's family.

After Beatrice Grace came Issacher James born on 1 October 1887 in
Armidale.  At the age of 20 he was involved in an accident with a horse and died on 28 January 1908.

Albert Henry was born in 1891 in Armidale and at the age of 13 started working in a draper store in Armidale owned by Mr Percival.  At 16 he became apprenticed to a blacksmith and almost five years later became a journeyman to Mr Saunders in Guyra.  He then moved to Port Macquarie and Bangalow (quite some distance apart).  In Bangalow he met the Newtown family of Coopers Shoot and during 1916 married Constance Floria Newtown.  Albert and Constance were cousins.   Their three sons were all born while the family lived at Alstonville where Albert had established a blacksmith and wheelwright business and then a motor garage was added to the business.  During 1915 Albert bought a blacksmith shop at Rous Mill, Bangalow and his borther Cecil Knight Trudgeon was a co-worker. In 1917 Albert sold this business and moved to Alstonville.  Albert was civic minded and he assisted in the revival of the local cricket club and formed a boy scout group is Alstonville all while running his business.  His personal interests extended to lawn bowls, playing the piano, organ and french horn and judging at flower shows.  He died at Bonalbo in November 1982 and his obituary was published in the local press.

Clarinda Emily was born on 2 January 1890 in Armidale but died on 11 January 1891.

Cecil Knight was born in 1893 in Armidale.  Events of his early life remain unknown until he started working with his brother in 1915.  He then joined the Army to serve in World War 1.  When he returned from France after being discharged early because of a medical condition (French fever) he recommenced work with Albert.  He married Dora Everingham and had a daughter.  Cecil died some time during 1925.

Alma Eva was born on 2 September 1898 and when she was about 17 or 18 worked with Isabella in a tea shop and general store in Armidale.  She married Harold Williams a local carpenter who developed a lung complaint and died soon after being married.  Alma married Frederick Cresswell  also a carpenter some years later and moved to Cessnock. He was a carpenter in one of the coal mines at Cessnock and became a respected union delegate.  Alma died in a Cessnock nursing home on 3 September 1990.

Alfred Norman was born in 1903 in Armidale.  He was employed as a carpenter at one of Cessnock's coal mines as well.  He married Pearl Elwood at Cessnock and they had four children.

Raymond George was born during 1904 in Armidale and for some time was employed by the New South Wales State Railway as a guard on the run between Armidale and Werris Creek.  He married Rene Bolton - they had no children.  Ray was promoted to Sydney and lived in Neutral Bay until he died in 1979.

Warm regards
Carolyn

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Australia / Re: Issacher TRUDGIAN/TRUDGEON
« on: Saturday 13 March 10 08:31 GMT (UK)  »
Ok Elliebob I know this has taken me time to get back to you but here we are:

Australian Trudgeons from Issacher

William Joseph born 1884 married Gertrude Booth and they lived in Scone NSW. He was a cabinet maker and undertaker.

Beatrice Grade born 12 April 1885 and lived all her life in Armidale except for a period at Gatwych and Dangarsleigh.  During 1890 at the age of 4 years and 6 months she was enrolled as a pupil of a brand new public primary school in Rusden Street, West Armidale.  She outlived that school which had stood for 76 years and was then replaced in 1966 by the Drummond Memorial School.  Beatrice was an honoured guest when the new building was opened being 81 years old and the oldest living ex-pupil of the West Armidale School.

The name Drummondd in NSW is synonymnous with education and no more so than in Armidale, long acclaimed as a city of schools colleges churches cathedrals and a university.  Hon D. Henry Drummond, Minister for Education was the leading light in establishing the Armidale Teachers College and the New England University.  Grace Watson said It was a great honour for a great man.  Mr Drummond had always been a close friend of my family.  He as done a lot for eduation especially in Armidale.

As Grace grew up under the influence of her father she developed a deep interest in many church activities. 

About the turn of the century a young man called William Watson became associated with the Watson family and for some time was given shelter in one of the barns on the Trudgeon property. William and Grace became close friends and on 27 September 1905 when Beatrice Grace was 20 years old they wer married in the Armidale Wesley Methodist Church.

More on the family to come.
Carolyn

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Australia / Re: Plasterers Newcastle c1908
« on: Friday 12 March 10 07:55 GMT (UK)  »
Their website is http://www.ncc.gov.nsw.au I'm not sure if there is an online service.  check and see.  if not I am in newcastle so let me know and I will see what I can do.
Cheers
Watmea

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Australia / Re: Plasterers Newcastle c1908
« on: Friday 12 March 10 06:57 GMT (UK)  »
Have you tried the Newcastle Regional Library for information?

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Australia / Re: Issacher TRUDGIAN/TRUDGEON
« on: Monday 22 February 10 07:07 GMT (UK)  »
Gee Kris I can't believe you responded so quickly.  I am glad to say that you have set my mind at rest.  I also believed that Issacher and Eva were not twins as I have copies of the family's 1861 and 1871 Census records and it clearly shows four years between them. I am wondering if William and James Knight both born in 1870 were twins though (they are supposed to have both died in the same year as well, in the USA).

I've also realised that Ellen asked for information on other family members and I didn't give her too much there.  So tomorrow is another day here on the other side of the world and I will continue the Saga!!
Cheers
Carolyn

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Australia / Re: Issacher TRUDGIAN/TRUDGEON
« on: Monday 22 February 10 03:09 GMT (UK)  »
Ellen
I am relieved that you replied to my message!!!  Issacher was my great grandfather on my father's maternal side.  He married Isabella Palmer and my grandmother Beatrice Grace was one of their children.

I too don't know why he migrated to Australia but I have found out by carrying out research for my husband's family in North America that when a son wasn't the first born (they get all the family lands usually) they migrated to either another country or, less drastic, migrated to a different part of the country that was opening up new lands.

My parents have undertaken a lot of research and Dad has created a family story that he calls the Saga.  Of course the problem is that many people don't think to talk to their elders and record what they have to say until it is too late.  I love the family stories.  It is great to have at our disposal official records but the family stories put the meat on the bones.

What I can tell you is from this document.

Issacher migrated to Australia in 1879 arriving in Brisbane, Queensland on 20 June.  He went from there to Stanthorpe, Queensland to assist Reverend Joseph Beale who was a minister in the Methodist faith.  It appears that Issacher corresponded with the Rev. Beale prior to migrating and intended to assist is the church's activities.  Apparently, Joseph and Betsey were followers of John Wesley's teachings.  His mother passed away in 1877 when he was attending Bible Class and this made deep impression on his life.  Eva's pleading with him to dedicate his life to Christian works eventually made him do so.

There is some conflict with his date of birth and Dad says it has been convincingly established he was a twin with Eva.  However, others have him born in 1855.  If you can find any official records that state when his actual birth date is it would be wonderful.

Two years after arriving in Stanthorpe he moved to Armidale, New South Wales and began working for William Palmer, owner of a brickworks at Brickville, West Armidale, New South Wales.  In later life he was described as Tom Trudgeon, brickmaker and miner . . .a native of St Austell, Cornweall.  He was on 5' 2" and hence the nickname of Tom from Tom Thumb given to him by his fellow workers.

He married William's daughter Isabellain St Peters Church of England Cathedral, Armidale.  Isabella was 19 years old at time and was given permission to marry by her father (Marriage Certificate 8087-1850 - 5 October 1882.).  He remained aligned to the Methodist Church despite being married in a Church of England Church.  He once said that given the opportunity and eduction he would have entered the ministry in the church of his choice. On 23 July 1893 a new Methodist Church was dedicated in Armidale and Issacher's name was the first entered on the new membership roll. He was tireless in his efforts to strengthen the Christian conscience and performed yeoman service as a lay preacher both the the Bible Class and the church.

Declining health meant Issacher was forced to leave his job at the brickworks (date unknown) and he moved into Armidale town to open up a general store in Beardy Street and a green grocery store in Jesse Street.  His death certificate states his occupation as Fruiterer.  He died on 25 November 1918 at Armidale and was buried in the Methodist section of the Armidale Cemetery.

Isabella carried on the business for several years and then decided to move to Cessnock, New South Wales to be closer to her daughter Alma and son Normal.  Isabella opened a boarding house in Cessnock.  She died in Cessnock on 19 May 1954 but was buried in Armidale Cemetery.

Isabella and Issacher had nine children:  William Joseph (1884), Beatrice Grace (my grandmother) (1885), Issacher James (1887), Albert Henry 1891), Clarinda Emily (1890), Cecil Knight (the Knight name has been included in every generation to my own) (1893), Alma Eva (1898), Alfred Norman (1903) and Raymond George (1904).

I hope this has whetted your appetite.  If I can help with other Australian family member information, please let me know.
Warm regards
Carolyn



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Australia / Re: Trudgian/Trudgeon
« on: Thursday 18 February 10 07:28 GMT (UK)  »
Ellen
I know your post about Issachar Trudgian/Trudgeon was a few years ago but I hope you find my reply.  I am in Australia and Issachar Trudgeon was my great grandfather on my father's mother's side.  My grandmother, Beatrice Grace, was one of Issachar's daughters.

Please respond with a specific request - what I mean is there anything in particular you are interested in, and I will try to answer.  I have some good information from my father about Issachar's life in Australia.
Regards
Carolyn

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