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Europe / Re: I am stuck and am looking for help re: German ancestory - KUCHEL
« on: Saturday 11 April 20 16:06 BST (UK)  »
I took a two year break and am now back to looking again.

 
I am puzzled that you might claim an ancestral link to Johann George Kuchel (1783-1845) because all of George's descendents migrated to Australia in 1838/1845. 

This thread has introduced some falsehoods that ought not mislead their readers.  The family's 1838 migration was aboard the Prince George, and included three of his four sons.  This 1838 migration of the Old Lutherans also included the ships Bengalee, Zebra and Catherina.  Despite what some of the on-line passenger manifests might claim, the oldest son Gottfried and his family did not emigrate until 1845 aboard the Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel.  I have found emigration listings for Gottfried in 1838 (Prince George), 1842 (Skjold), and 1845 (Patel), but only this last one is true.

I also feel reference to the  Rhineland, rather than Brandenberg, to be misleading akin to a red herring.  The 1838 migration was under the tutelage of Angas and Pastor Kavel. The book Kavel's People by David Schubert records all the migrants' origins, and you can rest assured that Georg Kuchel and his family originated from Langmiel, Brandenberg.

Don't be deterred, however because the Kuchel family leased 240 acres from a 400-acre Section owned by the Incorporated Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts (a mission arm of the Church of England), and their lease stipulated they should plant 4.5 acres of vines.  I thus conclude these grapes were grown according to Brandenberg practices and not Rhineland practices. 

I can assure you that I can trace my family line back to Johann Georg. I have since discovered that yes, the boat they departed on was the Prince George. I also agree that the town Langmeil had me stumped for a long time, but I tend to agree with you that it was most likely Brandenberg and not the Rhineland.

As for the author of Kavels People; well he was my home class teacher in Secondary School. Small world.


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Buckinghamshire / Re: Buckinghamshire WOOLHOUSE Family
« on: Wednesday 06 February 13 08:12 GMT (UK)  »
The Buckinghamshire Woolhouses are in our family tree. Our line is from Richard and Avice's son Richard.

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Europe / Re: I am stuck and am looking for help re: German ancestory - KUCHEL
« on: Saturday 02 February 13 03:09 GMT (UK)  »
Oh yes - old Lutheran family (well some of them  :-X )

Gottlieb would have been the youngest son of Georg (or George as I have noticed in some records).

I completely forgot about Trove! Thank you so much for the reminder!!

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Europe / Re: I am stuck and am looking for help re: German ancestory - KUCHEL
« on: Friday 01 February 13 22:58 GMT (UK)  »
Well there are a few differences to what I found out (which was in off a website where they quoted a book) but what you have written (re: the ship name and his occupation) is ringing a bell in the far recesses of the brain.

In our family tree, the Liebelts and Kuchels are intertwined a bit so I wonder if Maria and Johann were siblings.....

Hahndorf was named after Capt. Hahn because he helped them settle into the Hills and helped negotiate the purchase of some land of a wealthy landowner by the name of Dutton.

If he was a vine dresser and their is a Langmeil in Rhineland (which I had suggested to me by another aswell :) ) then I agree that the Brandenburg attachment may be a mistake.

Kuchel Johann Gottfried Erdmann  33    Vine-dresser / Winemaker Langmeil,Bandenburg   
     Johanne Dorothea Elizabeth (Kuchel)    34                   
     Johanne Louise    5                   
     Johanne Dorothea    4                   
     Johanne Eleonore    2                   
     Anna Rosina    inf     

This is Johann Georg's son and family.

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Europe / Re: I am stuck and am looking for help re: German ancestory
« on: Friday 01 February 13 02:50 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for your response.

I too have found the baptismal records on familysearch and yes, the year is out for a couple but I kept tracing anyway just in case. One was married but the wife's name was wrong (looking for Anna Dorothea Seiffert who he married in 1811) but then this wife died in 1814.

Johann left with his family because of religious persecution. The king at the time was demanding all that everyone convert to Catholicism. Some refused and sought help from people in London (the name George Fife Angus is ringing a bell). They got a ship organised and left their birthplace for good. So he is a part of the "Old Lutheran" group.

Anything after Johann I have. Where he lived (Hahndorf) and died etc, plus all the descendants from that. Its just the before Australia that it is just impossible to find out, especially when I have such very limited knowledge of the German language.

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Europe / I am stuck and am looking for help re: German ancestory - KUCHEL
« on: Thursday 31 January 13 23:05 GMT (UK)  »
After doing really well finding my English ancestors, I am hitting a brick wall in regards to the German side. It is to the point I think my paternal great great great great Grandfather just doesn't exist, which is obviously not the case because here I am.

The problem is I cannot find any records except for his name in a book about him immigrating to South Australian in 1838.

So am now asking for help. Can anyone please help me find him?

The information I have is  (which I hope is correct): Johann Georg Kuchel, immigrated to South Australia in 1838, on board a ship called the Zebra, at the age of 55. Occupation was nightwatchman.

I have tried looking on the German sites but it is beyond confusing and I just end up closing the pages out of frustration. Wishing now I had paid far more attention in German classes.

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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Missing Hogben
« on: Sunday 14 October 12 10:51 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Tony.  :)

I'm currently googling away here, trying to see if an old Hogben family photo pops up. I always wonder what my ancestors look like.

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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Missing Hogben
« on: Friday 12 October 12 03:18 BST (UK)  »
Bumping a very old thread but have come across this as John is my great great great great grandfather.  I have only just started tracing the Assender, Everett, Hogben line so this thread has been so very helpful.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Hello - looking for Woolhouse
« on: Thursday 09 August 12 04:26 BST (UK)  »

Hi,

Are you sure Robert's middle name was Lewis? I found this death which fits his birth information.

Robert Leslie WOOLHOUSE    Feb  1984    Hatfield Hertfordshire    10  412   


Regards,
Daisy

Back in again for another update. The above person is the brother of the Joseph Herbert I was looking for. Previous theories of the name being wrong on the death certificate is definitely correct. Seems the second wife put his brother's name down as Joseph's father.

We have traced back a fair amount now and even found some Old Bailey records of Joseph's Grandfather attempting to murder his BIL! :o

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