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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Identification of a couple of coats of arms
« on: Sunday 03 February 19 09:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Dodi,

Welcome to Roots Chat.

We have much of what you are asking for. My wife is a descendant of Doctor Fielding Best Fynney and we together with others on this forum have been looking at the Fynney and Finney people for several years and will be keen to see where your line fits in.

As for looking back we have details which allegedly take Fynney back to 1066, details complied in the main by Doctor Fynney.

We are happy to share what we have.

The best way of achiving this is by personal messaging (P.M.) on here. As a new member the rules say that you have to make three posts before this contact can be made. You will therefore have to make a couple of extra post before we can P.M. you. These do not have to be detailed posts just a simple message will surfice.

Good Luck with your research.

Boy Scout

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Derbyshire / Re: Finney, Fernell and Keeler Hall, Chesterfield
« on: Saturday 08 September 18 13:42 BST (UK)  »
maddys52

That ghost story reads like something out of an M R James book; fascinating this genealogy.

Thanks for that and the further details of the Burgoyne family. The story gives an insight into the lives of the wealthy at the time, how they would have loved a digital 'phone/camera and social media instead of quill and copper plate etchings.


Boy Scout

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Derbyshire / Re: Finney, Fernell and Keeler Hall, Chesterfield
« on: Friday 07 September 18 09:25 BST (UK)  »
Thanks to Goldie61 for all the information and depth of search from which we have much insight into these individuals. You are right about the notes there are many discrepancies in them. As you say the notes are typed, I have not seen the original.

I was not aware that Ann Fernell was Nee Burgoyne it explains a lot.

As for Captain and the "Hall" given all the references found you would have thought that something would have shown up. The Fernell residence of Spring House crops up several times. I see on a quick search that there is a Spring House Close, at Ashgate, Chesterfield, perhaps that house has gone.


maddys52: thanks for all the newspaper articles they provide much confirmation I don't know too much about Derbyshire but a quick search shows that the Bubnell Hall mentioned is indeed an old property and still up nd running. I saw an advertisement for its sale in 2014 just short of £3 M.


Boy Scout.

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Derbyshire / Finney, Fernell and Keeler Hall, Chesterfield
« on: Thursday 06 September 18 14:48 BST (UK)  »

Several years ago I was given some notes on the Fynney/Finney families of Derbyshire dating roughly from 1596 to the 20th century. These notes contain no sources but show dates of births, marriages and deaths of many Derbyshire Finneys and their spouses. In some instances mention is made of details contained in wills.
I have researched some of these persons and expanded certain lines and have found that generally the details recorded are correct.
Reference is made to a Thomas Fynney born 1776-1847 and a marriage to a Harriet (Harriot) Fernell 1786-1850, I have found three children for these; William, Charles and John Fernel Fynney.
With regards to Harriet the notes say that she was the daughter of Captain Fernell of “Keeler Hall”, Chesterfield. I have been unable to discover any reference to this hall does this mean anything to anyone?
Family Search show her father as John Burgoyne Fernell 1733-1789. Her mother was Betty Adlington 1750-1797.
Any help would be appreciated.

Boy Scout

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Staffordshire / Re: John Fynney (d.1828) - links to Hulme/Johnson/Bowers/Koziah
« on: Wednesday 30 May 18 17:41 BST (UK)  »
Claire,

Thanks for your help on this, it is very intresting that Charles Daintry was buried at Stone also.

I've had a look at the Staffordshire Burials for him and he shown as "Abode Darlaston" there must be some family connection with Stone or the Church there.

He was aged 45 and described as a Gent.


Boy Scout

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Staffordshire / Re: John Fynney (d.1828) - links to Hulme/Johnson/Bowers/Koziah
« on: Wednesday 30 May 18 09:21 BST (UK)  »
We have made some progress with this Fynney/Tomlinson association thanks in the main to Claire on here; as I see this is where we stand.
Elizabeth Oakes marries Samuel Daintry in 1770, their daughter, Catherine Daintry, is born 1776.

There is a possible death for a Samuel Daintry and burial at Stone 1779, his abode is shown as Leek but I’m not 100% sure that’s him. 
 
On 17th March 1781 at St. Edwards, Leek, John Fynney aged 27, Button Merchant, marries Elizabeth Daintry a widow age 30.
 
Catherine Daintry marries Richard Tomlinson in 1809; they name two of their children after Catherin’s stepfather, Fynney and one after Catherine’s maiden name; Daintry.
 
All this above is on Family Search.

We know that John Fynney died in 1828 and is buried at St. Edwards, Leek but we do not have the grave reference. Staffordshire Burial Records have his “abode”; Compton.
 
Also on Staffordshire Burials, in 1818 is a death of Elizabeth Fynney, aged 75 her abode is also shown as Compton, she is buried at St. Edwards Leek, no grave reference.

If we had a grave reference numbers, this might put these two together has anyone any ideas how this could be done?

Also Claire refers to seeing wills online and I wonder where that is available? In order to see Samuel Daintry’s will of 1779 and maybe Elizabeth Fynney’s of 1818.

One more thing; I have seen a Tree on Geni that has Samuel Daintry shown as the son of the Reverend John Daintry of Leek, but it’s lacking evidence. I think I’ve read somewhere that there is a memorial or statue of John Daintry inside St. Edwards.

Boy Scout.


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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Identification of a couple of coats of arms
« on: Thursday 24 May 18 14:31 BST (UK)  »
Hello Sharon86, welcome to RootsChat.
My wife is a Fynney descendent being the 4 x Gt. Granddaughter of Doctor Fielding Best Fynney 1743-1806. We have lots on the Fynney’s I do believe that there is at least one other person (male) with the Fynney name in South Africa which due to the rules I can’t name here but will send you a personal message on this forum about that. As far as we know there is no one in England with the Fynney name as a surname. There are also Fynney descendants in Australia but the name there has also passed out of use. It was one your Gt. Grandfather’s Sisters that took the name there. A long story.
My wife’s Gt. Gt. Grandfather, Frederick Adolphus Fynney was brother to your Fielding Best Fynney who went to South Africa and was at one time in business with him. Like Goldie 61 I am fascinated to see what you have in your research, personal knowledge and book.
The picture that you posted is from original plates that are still in existence but not in my possession. I have a black and white of it.
Also I think I may have a picture of your Oswald.

Boy Scout.

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Staffordshire / Re: Brough and de Burgh
« on: Sunday 22 April 18 12:53 BST (UK)  »
This is a link to the Brough family organisation they show how the two names merge.

https://sites.google.com/view/brough-family-organization/eng-staffordshire

Or just type into the usual search engine Brough Family Organisation.

There is a mention of Richard Burgh, vel Brough of Windy-yates in Sleigh's "History of The Ancient Parish of Leek" under the Fynney entry page 175.

The organisation have a photograph of Brough Hall Windy-yates. (Windy-gates)

Boy Scout

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Staffordshire / Re: Fynney family Leek
« on: Tuesday 06 March 18 07:57 GMT (UK)  »
As far as relates to the Fynney, Finney families. There are several pedigrees’ recorded in different places. Including the William Salt Museum but that one does not go back as far as 1066.
The main reference seems to be John Sleigh in his book of 1883 “History of The Ancient Parish of Leek”.
He quotes:-

The Fynney  estate,  consisting  of   woodlands  and  a  large  tract  of  country, was  a gift of William  the  Conqueror  to "his  kinsman  Fenis" (v.  William  of Worster's  papers at  the end  of the  Black-book  of  the  Exchequer,  vol. 2,  p. 524.)   

Sleigh goes on from there through a series of 26 individuals with a view of confirming his male bloodline to show continuity up to the date of the publication.
There seems to be little doubt that Mr. Sleigh’s information is gleaned from Doctor Fielding Best Fynney 1743-1806, the man responsible for the much mentioned Fynney Brass. This man’s original handwritten notes are in possession of the University of California having been bought by them in 1963.
That said when this assumption was published it was subject to much criticism at the time especially so in the Gentleman’s Magazine. In short whether true or not can’t be said for sure.

This is the only record I have seen going from 1066 to 1883.

I have read that the land that you referred to was at Fynney Farm, Basford where a house still stands albeit rebuilt in 1610 and the land in and around Pickwood Hall, Leek where a Thomas Fynney was resident during the Civil War.

Boy Scout

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