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Other Countries / Re: PENANG: Surname JOSEPH
« on: Friday 21 May 21 12:35 BST (UK)  »
Dear ShaunJ,

I do have the death date for Asenath Joseph but not for Mark or Johannes. These confirm that the Joseph family in Penang were 'Native Christians", possibly Indian Tamils?

Mark Joseph may be a brother of Israel Joseph, because of the biblical name but Johannes Peter may belong to a different Joseph family?

Unfortunately I cannot find a record of birth, marriage or death for Israel Joseph.

Thank you very much for finding these records.

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Other Countries / Re: PENANG: Surname JOSEPH
« on: Friday 21 May 21 03:34 BST (UK)  »
maybe this location might help - if you google it
Joseph Gawthorne - married Gwendoline Blanche O'Keefe at The Bretheren Mission Chapel ,Penang,Malaysia in 1905

could they all have married in that Chapel ?   if so - maybe they have records ?
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also - does this make any sense to you - do you recognise anyone ?
https://gw.geneanet.org/chogue?n=joseph&oc=&p=asenath+wife+of
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314 records here
post if you recognise your Israel ??
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?size=10&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&type_periode=between&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&sexe=&nom=joseph&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=israel&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=&country__0__=&region__0__=&subregion__0__=&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=&region__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=&region__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=&region__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=&region__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1

Dear garstonite, I had a look at the first 10 pages of this list and found most Israel Josephs were from Western countries. I shall need to join Geneanet to search the list for Penang. Thanks for this reference - it may prove useful.

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Other Countries / Re: PENANG: Surname JOSEPH
« on: Friday 21 May 21 03:30 BST (UK)  »
Thank you garstonite,

I really appreciate the time you have spent trying to help me. I have a copy of the book about Germans in Penang but unfortunately there is no mention of the Joseph family there.

Elizabeth Joseph was a Christian and her husband James Gawthorne was at one time the manager of the Mission Chapel. They were married in the Anglican St Georges Church because the Chapel missionaries were not authorised to conduct marriages at that time. I am thinking this Joseph family were probably from India but that is just a guess.

Their son Joseph Gawthorne was married in the Mission Chapel much later as you say.

Thanks again for your interest.

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Other Countries / PENANG: Surname JOSEPH
« on: Thursday 20 May 21 09:37 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for descendants or anyone who may know something about the family of Israel and Asenath Joseph who lived in Penang, Malaya in the early 1800s. They had two children that I know of - Elizabeth Joseph and Elisha Joseph. Elizabeth married my Great Grandfather James Gawthorne in 1851 and Elisha married Lydia Chemah in 1871.

Any information about this JOSEPH FAMILY would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Penang Straits, Singapore, India then UK??
« on: Wednesday 27 January 16 01:52 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Sir Robert,

Great to hear from you! If Freda was your grandmother you must belong to one of the Barnett branches of the family. I have just recently been in touch with Michael and Paul Barnett, so if you are not one of them I wonder who you are?

I have published a book about the Samuel O'Keeffe family including what little I then knew about Freda, Nora and their sister Irene. Would love to learn more and correspond with you.

I will send you a private message and we can take it from there.

Jeff


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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Penang Straits, Singapore, India then UK??
« on: Monday 28 January 13 01:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi susiee,

I am trying to trace F W Harris who worked in the Mercantile Bank Penang and married Dorothy Plum in St Georges Church there on 15 April 1922.

Is he related to you?  Is he Frederick William Harris I wonder?

Thanks



The Newspaper
"Planters Mail" Malaya.
Is a very useful tool  for the Colonian period, it was the  expat jungle drums of the day,  the National Library in Canberra,  Australia   have  films, im not sure who else has them though.

Also, ...the   " Singapore Straits Times"

These 2  papers helped / or sealed finally a  long 70 year  search for the burial place of my  Grandmother,

Mary Helen Harris
Died in Europeon Hospital  in Seremban in Aug 1931

She and my Grandfather Ernest Frederic Harris had been in Malaya and elswhere up there for many years from Australia when Mary died   at a young age post surgery.

Thanks to the Planters Mail  we  found her obit with everything we needed,       my  Father and his brother were at school in Melbourne when she died  and   were never told of the "details"  which seems incredible  now,  but in 1931  it seems that was the deal  for kids.

She is  buried in the Catholic section of the Seremban Cemetry but the grave  is now  not recognisable   like many,  and  many were damaged n WW2, so  we  cant even fix the  grave  as  they are just inable to be identified sadly.


Oh just saw your link to SST  Superhoop.

I have searched almost every archive available for any record of her death, so did all the other family,  no one ever found anything anywhere. Thats the only record we ever found.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Penang Straits, Singapore, India then UK??
« on: Thursday 10 May 12 00:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi Jeff,
o good to receive this informatio,.I am living in Australia and we have been to Penang about four times as we love it there.
However, i think the RALPH O'KEEFFE was the son of Ebenezer Westwood O'Keeffe and Mary Carmaline Antonette O'Keeffe, and was born on 14th december 1920.Place of birth was Pasir Mas kelantan.Ebenezer westwood was` born 6th january 1892 to the parents of Samuel Arthur O'keeffe and Charlotte  Soplica alberto Westwood.
You also mentioned that you have written a Book about the O'keeffe, could you please tell me how to buy a copy and where from.
I would love to talk to you. My email address is (*)
Regards
Richard

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Hi Richard,

There are TWO Ralphs in the O'Keeffe family, and both were grandsons of Samuel and Charlotte:

Ralph Anthony O'KEEFFE was the son of Ebenezer O'Keeffe and was your father
Ralph James O'Keeffe GAWTHORNE was the son of Gwendoline O'Keeffe and was my father

The origin of my father's name is explained in my book. They were all one big happy family.

Cheers,
Jeff

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Hi again RJO'Keeffe,

Please contact me through the RootsChat Personal Message that I have sent you.

I have quite a lot of information about your ancestors Samuel and Charlotte, their forbears and all the siblings.

Hoping to hear from you soon.

Jeff

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Hi RJ O'Keeffe,

My parents are Ralph and Phyllis Gawthorne. Ralph is the son of Gwendoline O'Keeffe who is the sister of your Grandfather Ebenezer.

I have written a book about the O'Keeffes of Penang which includes a little information about your Grandfather. It was extremely difficult to get information about him because the living relatives I was able to find did not know much or were not sure of the facts.

I shall be delighted to discover more about his side of the family from you.

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