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Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / Re: 1891 Lookup - Peach
« on: Monday 03 May 21 07:18 BST (UK)  »

The Fisher Connection

Thank you Ianbrowne for all the information and history pertaining to Dr Philip Fisher and his family - I will follow this up soon regarding the possibility of connecting the two Fisher families as well as reading more about Dr Philip's brother and son's friendship with John Constable - Wow!

Dr Philip Fisher,  Rector of Elton from 1787 to 1842 may well have married John Peach and Mary Viccars in 1809, unfortunately I don't have a copy of the actual marriage certificate, only the record of their marriage so I can't check.

It's interesting though that Rev. Philip Fisher, was Master of Charterhouse and was buried there in 1842 as my great great grandparents, Benjamin and Rachel Matthews nee Viccars (Mary Peach nee Viccars' sister) worked and lived at Charterhouse. Benjamin died in 1835 and there is an MI for him in Charterhouse Chapel burials……24 Feb 1835 Benjamin Matthews, husband of Rachel Matthews, a housemaid to the Charterhouse, 58 years. In 1841 census, Rachel was enumerated as a retired house servant, living in Charterhouse, East London nbic.

In 1861 Rachel was living in Elton with her daughter Mary Ann Matthews. She died in 1862 in Oundle and is buried in Elton Churchyard along with her family - see link for details of the burials including John Peach and Mary nee Viccars and their children and details of the four sided Memorial with Inscriptions etc.,

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=465818.msg3400698#msg3400698

Margaret  :D

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Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / Re: 1891 Lookup - Peach
« on: Monday 03 May 21 07:04 BST (UK)  »
Maria Newman

Maria Newman nee Walton was born in 1834 in Selby Yorkshire and died 23 Feb 1904 St Marylebone, London,  to parents Rev John Leidger Walton (Vicar of Silkstone) 1806-1880 and Eliza Kingsley 1816-1890.
Baptised 30 Jul 1837 Selby Yorkshire England
Married Thomas James Newman 11 Aug 1865 Silkstone with Stainborough, All Saints, Yorkshire, England. They had 7 children all born Barnsley and baptised Barnsley, St Mary, Yorkshire,  including Denis Newman 1874-1901.

In 1841 census Maria 3 years is living in Selby Yorkshire with her parents John Walton 35 Clerk Incumbent. and Eliza 25 and three siblings.

In 1851 census Maria 13 is living in the parish of Silkstone with parents John L 45 Vicar of Silkstone, Eliza 35,  five siblings and a Governess, Nurserymaid, Housemaid and a Cook

In 1861 census Maria 23 is living in the parish of Silkstone with parents John L 55 Vicar of Silkstone, Eliza and 5 siblings and a Housemaid and a Cook

In 1871 census Maria 33 living at 98 Sackville Street Barnsley Yorkshire with husband Thomas J Newman 44 Solicitor, children Mary Lister Newman 4 and Edward 2 plus a Nursemaid and Cook.

In 1881 census Maria 43 is living at 96 Sackville Street Barnsley with husband, Thomas J 54 Solicitor and  children, Charles A 8, Denis 6, Kingsley 4 and Monica M 3 plus a Cook, Nurse and Housemaid

In 1891 census Maria 53 is living at 102-104 Sackville Street Barnsley with husband Thomas J 64 Solicitor and sons Maximilian 21 Surveyor's Clerk and Denis 16 plus a Parlour Maid, Cook and Housemaid.

In 1901 Maria 63 is living at Bramston House, Market Street Oundle Northamptonshire with husband Thomas James 74 Retired Solicitor and Children Kingsley 24 Mechanical Engineer, Monica Mary 22, Ellen Bramell Wid 73  Visitor plus a Parlour Maid and a Housemaid.

Maria Newman died in 1904 aged 66 years.  Her death is registered in Jan-Feb-Mar qtr  at St Marylebone London.
I have been unable to find a burial for her.

I think it's safe to say that the third window is dedicated to Denis and his mother Maria.

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Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / Re: 1891 Lookup - Peach
« on: Monday 03 May 21 06:58 BST (UK)  »
To recap:
Thomas James Newman was the son of Mary Lister (c1803-1859) and Edward Newman (1798-1879) who was also the implied father of Edward Peach.

Edward Newman 1868 - 1893 was the eldest son of Maria nee Walton (1838-1904) and Thomas James Newman (1827-1915), the Solicitor and sole Executor/Beneficiary named in the Will of Edward Peach in 1891. They had seven children all born in Barnsley Yorkshire

Regarding the third window with dedications to Denis and Maria Newman:

Denis Newman

Thomas James Newman and Maria Walton had another son, Denis,  born 4 Jun 1874 in Barnsley who was an Oxford Scholar in 1892 - England, Oxford Men and Their Colleges, 1880-1892 - Name Denis Newman, Birth Place: Barnsley York. University College, matric 15 Oct 1892 age 18 from Wellington Coll.

Denis Newman died 22 June 1901 Nainital India.
 
In 1881 Denis  6 years was living at 96, Sackville Street, Barnsley, Yorkshire with his parents Thomas J. 54 Solicitor and Maria 43 and siblings Charles A 8, Kingsley 4 and Monica M 3 plus a Cook, Nurse and Housemaid

In 1891 Denis 16 years, Scholar is living at 102 & 104, Sackville Street, Barnsley, with his parents and brother Maximilian 21 Surveyor's Clerk plus a Parlour Maid, Cook and Housemaid.

On 26 Aug 1899 Denis Newman age 25  b1874 arrived in Liverpool England aboard the ship Oceanic from New York USA. According to the Passenger List, he travelled 1st class.

Denis Newman died 22 June 1901 Nainital India.

British India Office Deaths & Burials

Buried in Naini Tal Civil Cemetery on June 24 1901. Cause of death: Enteric Fever
Profession: Private Secretary to His Highness Maharaja Gaekwad of Baroda
The Executor of his Will is named as C A Newman who is most likely his brother, Charles Arnold Newman  (Arnold Charles Newman).

Arnold Charles Newman  took over Bramston in 1904 and sold it to Oundle School in 1917.

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Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / Re: 1891 Lookup - Peach
« on: Monday 03 May 21 06:54 BST (UK)  »

The pieces of the puzzle seems to be falling into place - how wonderful! I'll try to explain:
Regarding the death of St Stephen - the handsome young man depicted in the fine window in the tower  between two angels and  inscribed 'In memory of Edward Newman of Barnsley born 30th June 1868 and entered into rest 19th June 1893'  This relates to Edward Newman who  was the eldest son of Maria nee Walton (1838-1904) and Thomas James Newman (1827-1915), the Solicitor and sole Executor/Beneficiary named in the Will of Edward Peach in 1891.

Edward Newman

Edward was baptised on 8 Aug 1868 at Barnsley, St Mary, Yorkshire, England and was the implied Nephew of Edward Peach.

In 1871 census - 2 year old Edward was residing at 98 Sackville Street, Barnsley with his parents, Thomas James Newman 44 Solicitor and Maria 33 ( b Selby Yorkshire), his sister, Mary Lister Newman 4 and brother Maximilian 1 all born Barnsley. plus a Cook, Eliza Barthamley 19 and a Nursemaid. Ellen Amphall 19

In 1878 Edward entered Chesterfield Boys' Grammar Boys School, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

In 1881 census 12 year old Edward is enumerated as a boarder/ scholar at 6 Sheffield Road Chesterfield with Francis B Allison 41 Clerk in Holy Orders Head Master at Ches' Grammar without care of souls ( Francis B's occupation in 1871 census is recorded as Clergyman without care of souls Mathematical and Scientific Master Derby School - he was educated at Cambridge University) and his wife Eliza 38. Eliza Allison nee Walton was Edward's aunt and his mother Maria's sister.

In 1891 census 22 year old  Edward is recorded as being a  Boarder/ Articled Clerk to Solicitor/Law at 3 Torrington Square Bloomsbury St George, London, England in the household of James Craggs 76 Lodging House Keeper and his wife Sarah 64

Edward died age 24 Apr-May-Jun qtr 1893 and his death is registered in Barnsley Yorkshire West Riding.

 I have been unable to find a burial for him.

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Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / Re: 1891 Lookup - Peach
« on: Monday 03 May 21 06:52 BST (UK)  »
It's been  almost eleven years since my last post to this topic and just over five years since Ianbrowne and NicciH last made postings. Firstly to both - I appreciate your help immensely. Thank you!
I will try to make up for lost time so here is an update after all these years:

Ianbrowne,  the three stained glass windows by Morris and Co given in memory of the Peach and Newman family sound really beautiful!  Oh how I would love to actually sit and contemplate them especially knowing that they are dedicated to my 1st cousins x 3 removed - Edward and Marianne Peach and my 3rd cousins x 1 removed - Edward and Denis Newman and their mother Maria.

Thank you so much for taking the time to post the results of your research thus far.

Regarding the earliest window for Edward Peach d.21.11.1891 and his sister Marianne Peach d. 29.3.1875 - in the 1861 census Edward Peach and his sister Marianne were living at Market Place, Oundle Northamptonshire,  his occupation is recorded as an Ironmonger and hers as Housekeeper. They were still living there in 1871, but Marianne had no occupation recorded. The depiction of Marianne, through the images of Martha seems to be accurate - thank you for your description and clear explanation of the imagery and iconography - this is such a bonus! Likewise I agree with your account as to why Joseph's  staff is plain - yes, the imagery certainly does hint at Edward's lack of children, and also being born out of wedlock.

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.......and a big thank you from me. 

Margaret   :D

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Isle of Man Lookup Requests / Re: Baptism and Marriage Anne Mylvaarntyn Rushen please
« on: Friday 05 February 21 22:59 GMT (UK)  »
The images for the Esther Martin of Patrick will are available on Family Search. Text says, "I leave and bequeath unto my daughter Ann wife of Thomas Nelson of KK Christ the sum of ten pounds Manks". Kirk Christ is Rushen so it's definitely right:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSND-G9F2-Z?cat=233934


Blue

Great find - thanks for posting the link.

Margaret

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Isle of Man Lookup Requests / Re: Baptism and Marriage Anne Mylvaarntyn Rushen please
« on: Friday 05 February 21 22:56 GMT (UK)  »
Good work. I wonder if the Molly part in Ann Martin's name is a middle name or nickname? Perhaps they thought Molly was like the Manx prefix Myl etc and they sometimes wrote it down as a surname.


Blue

Blue, this is an interesting read:

Taken from Manx Surnames by A. W.  Moore  1885

"Where the syllable Mac was prefixed to personal names beginning with Giolla (" servant of"), the initial syllables have been frequently contracted into .Myl, the surname MAC GILCHRIST, for instance, becoming MYLCHREEST. Early in the 16th Century the prefix Mac was almost universal; a hundred years later it had almost disappeared."..........A. W. Moore

http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxnb/v02p044.htm
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxnb/v03p083.htm

Below  could also be relevant to the surname Martin...

...."MYLVORREY, contracted from MacGiollavorrey, 'the son of Mary's servant,' is also Anglicised into MORRISON, but the original name still survives, though not so common as formerly. Its spelling has proved a great puzzle to the keepers of the Parish Registers, as will be seen from the great variety of forms given below-

...........*MOLLYVORREY [1685], MYLEVOREY [1713], * MOLLYVERREY [1717], *MOLLEYBOIREY [1721], -*MOLLEVORY [1725], MYLWOIREY [1737], *MOLLEBORRY [1740],MYLEVOIREY [1762], MYLVORREY [1763], MYLVOREY [1782], MYLEVOIRREY [1786]."

http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxnb/v04p130.htm

Margaret

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Isle of Man Lookup Requests / Re: Baptism and Marriage Anne Mylvaarntyn Rushen please
« on: Friday 05 February 21 06:05 GMT (UK)  »
On F/S I found the marriage for Isabel Kermod(e) and Henry (Harry) Gawn and baptisms for 9 children including Isabel Gawn (Bap 17 Sept 1727) plus  burial records for Isabel Kermod/Gawn 15 Aug 1745 and Henry Gawn 7 Nov 1751 both Rushen.

I also found the marriage for Isabel Gawn and Thomas Nelson (bap 13 Mar 1725  - parents Thomas Nelson b 1695 and Joney Quark b 1683 Rushen) plus  baptisms for their 7 children incl. Thomas Nelson bap 15 May 1769 Rushen.

I'm satisfied that these are the parents and grandparents of our Thomas Nelson, husband of Ann(e) Mollyvaartyn/Mylvaarntyn/Maarton/ Martin.

F/S has  baptism for Anne Martin 16 Sept 1764 Patrick IOM with father's name Thomas

Marriage of Thomas Martin and Esther Gell 23 Feb 1754 Patrick

Esther Martin widow of Thomas Martin died 1817 Patrick and left a will dated 12 Dec 1815 naming Ann wife of Thomas Nelson.
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/willsums/pk1800.htm

Thanks again Blue and Trish .

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