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South Africa / Dirk Johannes Odendaal c1853-1930
« on: Thursday 13 May 21 13:44 BST (UK)  »
Trying to discover who his parents were.
According to his Death Notice (completed by his son) Dirk was born in Cradock and his parents were Maryna and Dirk Johannes Odendaal, but I cannot find any further information for them. Am getting a bit cross-eyed with all the Odendaal death notices and marriage/bapt records that I've looked at :)

Dirk's first wife was Susanna Margaretha Cloete (1859-1906) - they married 1876 in Rouxville, OFS, and had nine children.
I've also tried searches based on their children's name - their first two children appear to have been named after Susanna's parents - Gert Johannes 1878 and Aletta Catherina 1880 - and their next three were named Jacoba Susanna 1883, Willem Andries Johannes 1886 and Dirk Johannes 1888.

Any help in finding Dirk's parents would be much appreciated.


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South Africa / Re: Johanna Christina Smit
« on: Thursday 08 April 21 12:52 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for satisfying my curiosity, Karytay - which was also because of the Smit branch in our tree, but they were from the Heidelberg area.

Those loose ends or contradictory evidence in a tree are v.frustrating - so I hope somebody stumbles across Johanna's marriage record eventually. 

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South Africa / Re: Johanna Christina Smit
« on: Thursday 08 April 21 01:23 BST (UK)  »
I am curious as to why you posted her name though ?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Inventory 1596 transcription
« on: Monday 22 March 21 14:18 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you very much indeed, horselydown !! your help and expertise is much appreciated.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Inventory 1596 transcription
« on: Monday 22 March 21 12:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, horselydown86 - and for that link to the brevigraphs which is very helpful - am slowly beginning to recognise some of the "shorthand" of that time.
One of the useful things about this inventory too is the names of his siblings - a little window into the previous generation.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Inventory 1596 transcription
« on: Sunday 21 March 21 18:01 GMT (UK)  »
Oh thank you so much, horselydown86 !!
I'll be very interested to see what you make of his sister's name, which is in the 3rd secction.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Inventory 1596 transcription
« on: Sunday 21 March 21 15:19 GMT (UK)  »
Middle section attached

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Inventory 1596 transcription
« on: Sunday 21 March 21 15:17 GMT (UK)  »
Help needed please with this inventory for Andrew Grame - in 3 pieces to keep within the size limit - top and bottom sections attached, middle section to follow
My transcription so far below - I've highlighted some of the doubtful words in red, but there are lots more that I'm not sure of.

The Inventorie of all the goods and c[h]attels
movable and unmovable of andrew
grame of Wetherall abbaie diseased [sic]
valued and prysed the viij day of aprill
ano domini 1596 by these iiij-- ----- ---
Rob: pe—Tho: wannope Tho: browne and
David wilken
Imp[rimi]s 2 old ----   xxl js 8d
ite.    3 ----- and 3 calfes   xxxxs
ite.   4 gel-- kene   xl iiijs
ite.   3 ----   30s
ite.   2 -----   xxl js 8d
ite.   3 ----   x—
ite.   22 ducs   iijl vjs 8d
ite.   9 ge— shepe   20s
ite.   his app[ar]el   xxs
ite.   4 con— clothes   20s
ite.   blanketes   xl ---
ite.   in shetes   ixs
ite.   in corne   xl xviijs
ite.   one pot and one pan   vijs 8d
ite.   3 pe—e of ponder -----   xijd
ite.   one girde--   ijs
ite.   one –ronfe tongues and spe---r   ijs
ite.   -erlane plough geare   ijs vjd

   Debtes owing to the sayd Andrew
Imprimis Ambrose Carleton of Lynstocke for 6 house   xxli
Willm Armstrong of the gylecrus called Hebbies
Willm   xxiijli
George Barnefather alias gybs Geordy   xijli iiijs
John Bowmber of Corliell Bucher   vli xvjs
John Syde of the same   iijli viijs
John Rychardby and John Grayson of floddell crucke
for howes   xijs viijd
Thomas Hetherington of the them—more m-chland
for Cattell   xvjs viijd
John Grayson of the Milhouse   xxvjs xiijd i8d
Willm Bell & Thomas Bell Sonnes to Jeffrey Bell
of the pl—rke –ouke thre- score poundes lacing two shillinge
John Blaclocke of Wetherall Abbaiy   xxs
Thomas Person merchand of Carliell Surtie for
Thomas Atkinson   xviijli s---ing xvj grot-s
John Johnston alias Jocke called the good man of
Hogill   xiiijs vjd
Jocke Johnston his sonne   xxijs
John Johnston his sonne   xs
Willm Bell of the Hynging shawe   xxijs
John Johnston the good man of kirkhill   xs
Jocke Johnston sonne to gyb Johnston of fingland
   xiijs vjd
Mathew Lyttle of Johnston   xxiiijs iijd
Now that he payd Mathew doth owe to the sayd
Andrew for the ofspring of one Cow and a calfe
sexteane yeare   vjl
Robert –libs hob  Jardin of Rocken flat   vijs
David Johnston of the Mill Banke   xvjs
Frances Bell of kyrtle   xijs vjd
    cxviijli viijs iiijd
   Summa totalis   xxxxxxxxxxx

debtes yt he owys—
Imprimis to nichol Richison de mosland    liijs –od
ite. to his syster annus   xxiijs
ite. to his brother willm   xiijs vjd
ite. to margat haugh   xiijs 4d
ite. to his sonne John   vjs
ite. to gyle mandanish   ijs
ite. to Jocke de glesser   ijs
ite. to willm his sonne   iiijli xiijs
his funerall expenses   xxxs

   Summa totalis   xjl xxs xjd
 
 

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Decipher paragraph - sale of copyhold 1600
« on: Tuesday 16 February 21 22:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again, Goldie - & GR.
It's amazing how clear a word becomes once someone has transcribed it correctly, e.g. "allowed" on the first line, which has been puzzling me for ages.

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