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London & Middlesex Resources / St Paul's Church Shadwell and the Joyner family
« on: Monday 05 October 20 17:05 BST (UK)  »
Is anyone familiar with the records for St Paul's, Shadwell in the 1700s? I just wondered how complete or reliable they are.

I have identified (on FindMyPast) three children born to John and Deborah Joyner 1852, 1856 and 1858.  The last was Thomas Joyner an ancestor, but I can find no trace of a marriage for John and Deborah, nor her death. According to Thomas's baptism record John was a Ballastman. He was possibly born 1723 or 1734 in Shadwell but I don't have much to go on other than that - there seem to have been quite a few Joyners working in that trade.

Any thoughts much appreciated.

Betty Macey

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Scotland / Re: Uncertified death
« on: Sunday 03 February 19 18:53 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Forfarian

As there are no transcripts and not all the indexed fields are displayed in the search results, one often needs to look at the original documents on Scotlandspeople in order to eliminate incorrect hits. It’s not a case of simply getting carried away as you suggest.

I have annual subscriptions to Ancestry and FindMyPast ando much prefer the unlimited access those offer as well as the fuller data provided in search results.  On the few occasions when I have applied for a certificate that is my choice.

Betty Macey

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Scotland / Re: Uncertified death
« on: Sunday 03 February 19 18:37 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Monica
The names are the same but they are different parents - father’s occupation is wrong and marriage date is 15 June 1852.
Thanks anyway
Betty

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Scotland / Re: Uncertified death
« on: Sunday 03 February 19 16:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Monica

Yes that is Catherine. Her cert says the marriage took place on 20 September 1863 in Belfast, but Sarah's cert says it was September 1862 - hence my equivocation.

I think (hope) that's it for James Murphy's children - I don't really want any more infant deaths! Susan remarried and had two more children, both boys.

Can I ask what source you are using? I do use Scotlandspeople but I resent how expensive their charging structure is.

Betty

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Scotland / Re: Uncertified death
« on: Sunday 03 February 19 11:19 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for that - I don’t really know my way round the Irish records though I managed to find Mary Ann in there. I suspected they might have gone back as although she was born in Glasgow, Granny Sarah thought she had been born in Ireland because she remembered coming to Scotland as a very young child.

But poor wee Susan - she was another victim of the dreaded bronchial disease that afflicted so many people then. She died in 1875 two months after her father's death.

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Scotland / Re: Uncertified death
« on: Saturday 02 February 19 22:56 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Monica,

No, I’m aware of that record but it’s definitely a different family. My James Murphy was married to Susan Murphy (also MS Murphy). Coincidentally they also had daughters named Mary Ann and Margaret, but it’s their daughter Sarah who was my great grandmother.

There was also another baby sister, Catherine, who only lived a few months - she died in March 1975.

I can’t find the 4th child referred to as still living in the newspaper article. James and Sarah were married in Belfast in 1862 or 1863; I know Mary Ann was born in Belfast in 1866; and Sarah was born in Anderson in 1869. Margaret was probably born in Glasgow about 1868. So there is room for another child but the family seems to be absent from the 1871 census, just to complicate matters.

Thanks for your interest,

Betty


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Scotland / Re: Uncertified death
« on: Friday 01 February 19 23:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all so much. The poor man apparently just keeled over and died. His infant daughter had died two months earlier of bronchitis/tuberculosis so possibly he’d been living with something similar trying to keep a roof over  the family’s head. But it does leave me with another puzzle to solve - the article says he left his wife and four children -so far I only know of three of them, not counting the child who pre-deceased him. Fascinating.

Thank you again!

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Scotland / Re: Uncertified death
« on: Friday 01 February 19 18:01 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks. There is no reference to RCE. I have checked online newspapers. I don’t know whether the Mitchell has any records of local newspapers but I can’t get there as I live in Essex now.

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Scotland / Uncertified death
« on: Friday 01 February 19 17:06 GMT (UK)  »
Can anyone help with a slightly mysterious death?

My great-great grandfather James Murphy's death was registered on 17 May 1875. The entry in the register says that he died aged 33 years on 15 May 1875 at 7.30am in Linthouse Shipbuilding yard Govan. The cause of death is given as "Unknown" (in quotes). It also notes that he died suddenly and then where it would normally say 'as certified by', it says 'Not Certified'.

Has anyone seen anything similar? Does it mean there might have been an industrial accident or could it have been natural causes? Shouldn't there have been an inquiry?

Any thoughts welcome!

Betty

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