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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Confusing large group of DNA matches
« on: Wednesday 03 March 21 18:46 GMT (UK)  »
Have almost exactly the same dilemma with DNA group on Ancestry.Heaps and heaps of matches (200 plus at this stage )ranging from 50cM back to 8cM ,all seemingly connected to southern US states with what looks likely from available trees a common ancestor and no obvious connection to Ireland.
My thread here ;

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry DNA Match
« on: Monday 01 March 21 23:03 GMT (UK)  »
I think I would take the 'Noland' surname popping up in your US matches as being significant - it isn't a long leap from Nolan. (I have ancestors who arrived in 18C America from Germany with the name 'Knisely'; some of their descendents are 'Nicely').

Ethnicity from Ancestry tests is not of course wholly reliable, but if your matches have up to 20% Irish
shown in their results, I wouldn't dismiss that as insignificant.  My mother's 3xgreat grandfather was an Irishman from Dublin, born of Irish parents - Ancestry doesn't give her any Irish ethnicity at all. My husband's 2xgreat grandfather was also Irish - Ancestry gives him 4% Irish ethnicity.

Not too sure I would place much faith in Ancestry ethnicity results as think they are based on tree matches.
Taking my closest matches of the group ;
49cM shared over 1 segment ; ethnicity result is 3%Irish,39% Scotland ,36% England ,12% Wales ,3% Norway .

45cM over 1 segment ;ethnicity result is 2% Irish,30% Scotland ,27% England ,18% Wales ,2% Norway

45cM over 1 segment ; ethnicity result is 15% Irish ,31% Scotland, 46% England ,7% Wales .

My own test shows as 97% Irish and 3% Scotland.

Went back for another look and looked at names/surnames in trees where available.
No recognisable "Irish " surnames at all as far as I could see.
Even the christian names are real Southern USA ones to my eyes , eg,Rufus ,Robert Lee ,Zelica ,Virgil Lee ,Erasberry ,Reuben Pickett etc.

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry DNA Match
« on: Monday 01 March 21 01:25 GMT (UK)  »
Perhaps the common ancestor was a British soldier, who was stationed in Ireland and USA. This might mean that you have a non parental event in one of your lines.

The NPE would have had to have been a fair bit back I think .
Have confirmed DNA matches on all sides back to my great great  grandparents .

Its on my Paternal side for sure as none show a match to my mothers test .
Also none show up on match lists for any 3rd cousins that have checked for me.
Its a real mystery so far and problem is getting someone from that group who is interested enough to follow it up.
Quick look on Ancestry shows I have 234 in that group.Only put in those that are a shared match with 3 or more people.
Whats also unusual is that the vast majority have 20 plus shared matches for me whilst on any other line its usually 10 at the very most for 3rd cousins.
Maybe the fact that Ancestry is very US biased re. test numbers could influence that.

My tree stops at c.1800 as that's about it regarding Irish records.Have a few distant DNA matches that suggest connections mid to late 18th century but unprovable really .Can probably place where they might fit in as both my parents were from 2 different counties but each had ancestors who came entirely from within 3/4 miles of where they were respectively born.

What I really need is someone on that match list who finds some Irish connection .Wonder sometimes if one "inaccurate" tree is copied over and over again as it seems to fit the facts but then again contacted a person couple of years ago on a message board re. the same general family and they had the same details.They were totally record based and had no interest in DNA whatsoever.They also had no idea of any Irish connection.

Ireland / Re: us passports 1910
« on: Tuesday 23 February 21 18:04 GMT (UK)  »
My grandmother emigrated to the USA around that time from Ireland and had a British passport.
Have it here somewhere and will have a look for it.
From memory she renewed it about 1920 in British Consul in New York before returning to Ireland .

Carlow / Re: Henry Williams of carlow
« on: Monday 08 February 21 23:42 GMT (UK)  »
See a Henry Williams baptised 25th March 1862 to a Thomas Williams and Margaret Kavanagh in Borris.Address is given as Kiledmond.

Page above that has baptism of twins Henry and Benjiman Williams on 26th January 1862 to parents John and Mary Williams with sponsors Thomas Williams and Sarah Tuite and Peter ? and ? ?.No address given.
They seem to have been married on 9th November 1861 in Borris with address given as Kiledmond and her maiden name Neile (Neill ?).Witnesses Michael Treacy and Margaret Williams.

Did you find a DNA connection to the Williams from Carlow/Chicago ?

Carlow / Re: Henry Williams of carlow
« on: Monday 08 February 21 23:22 GMT (UK)  »

It only starts in 1864 so for anything before that you are relying on parish records.

That's for the civil registration of births, Catholic marriages & deaths. From 1845 for the civil registration of Protestant & Registry office marriages..

Had forgotten about that to be honest.Had never had reason (so far ) to have to look at anything bar RC records for my tree as all ancestors back 200 plus years seem to be tenant farmers or agricultural labourers of RC persuasion.

Carlow / Re: Henry Williams of carlow
« on: Monday 08 February 21 16:48 GMT (UK)  »
This is all very interesting Thankyou! I find it so hard to research Irish records donít this is really helpful. I will take a look in more detail later  :)
For Irish records the civil site is pretty good.Carlow reg. district covers most of Co. Carlow but a few could be either Baltinglass District (north east Carlow) or New Ross District (south Carlow)

It only starts in 1864 so for anything before that you are relying on parish records.

What I do is register for free account on
Search gives you transcriptions for baptisms and marriages available on registers with link to actual Parish register.
Saves poring over pages of often unreadable entry's.

Transcriptions are not always 100% but cuts down on a good bit of searching at times.

Carlow / Re: Henry Williams of carlow
« on: Monday 08 February 21 13:17 GMT (UK)  »
From doing some digging on other ancestry trees and dna links, I have found a thomas Williams in Carlow born 1843. I have spoke to his descendant and it is believed he stayed in the area until he died. He married a Margaret kavanagh. They had children Catherine, Henry, John, Thomas and George. Some of these children moved to Chicago. So it is of interest that Sarah’s daughter Mary agnes, I found a passenger list of her moving to Chicago in the 1890s. The form said to be with her cousin Henry Williams. I am convinced this is thomas and Margaret’s son as it all fits!

Looking at Irish civil records it looks likely that the above mentioned family ie Thomas Williams and Margaret Kavanagh,lived in Borris Parish as address for George and Thomas birth is Rosdillig, Borris.
No sign of their marriage although marriage of a Thomas Williams to a Catherine Kavanagh on 25th October 1858 in Borris with witnesses Moses Nolan and Sarah Williams.

Only possible death of a Thomas Williams I could find that might fit is below.Died 25th December 1911 aged 73 at Coshill,Borris.A labourer ,married and reported by his niece Catherine Murphy.

Possible marriage of the parents of Catherine Murphy mentioned above.

Address for Kate is Knocksquire Borris.See a death for a Margaret Williams Knocksquire Borris in 1883 aged 53 and reported by her son George Williams.

None of that really answers your question re.Henry Williams though.

Carlow / Re: Henry Williams of carlow
« on: Sunday 07 February 21 23:07 GMT (UK)  »
See a Margaret Summers baptised same parish (Borris) 1st April 1825.
All just conjecture but maybe worth a look.
How old was Margaret Rigby nee Summers on census ?

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