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Shropshire / Re: GUESTs - Broseley
« on: Friday 02 September 11 07:49 BST (UK)  »
About the birth/parentage of John Guest who married Penelope Easthope:-
- In a family tree from 1820s his birth-date is given as 1/1/1698 son of John Guest (1671) & Mary, but doesnt make it clear who the father is of John (1671). (This could be John & Cecily Hartshorne)
- In a family tree from 1903 his baptism is unknown, but he is given as son of John Guest (bap 17/2/1679-80) & Mary Major (married at Bendall 1696), where John Guest is son of Richard Guest & Mary Parramore (marr 1674). Richard was bap 27/2/1647 at Linley, bur 1681 at Broseley. The disadvantage of this is that John (1679/80) is rather young to be marrying then.
- This is an alternative to various Internet genealogies which assume that he is John Guest baptised 1703/4 son of Charles Guest and Mary Davis.

The 1903 tree also has a different wife (Elizabeth Major) for Charles son of John Guest & Cecily Hartshorne. However I dont think they had found the 1703 marriage at Highley of Charles Guest and Mary Davis.

The 1903 tree also has Thomas (1667) son of John & Cecily as the father of Thomas (1694), rather than Thomas (1669). This fits with our family tradition that Penelope Firmstone née Guest (1738) married her cousin John Guest (1750) brother of Thomas (1748) - however that might just have been assumed later. The theory about Thomas (1669) certainly sounds plausible.

It would be useful to see the various Guest wills at Hereford record office - they might clear up some ambiguities.



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Suffolk Lookup Requests / Re: Bury St Edmunds PRs - 1740s & 1770s - GUEST
« on: Wednesday 31 August 11 20:18 BST (UK)  »
CEGuest only had the name for William, and did not have any of the daughters. Ralph's sons were Charles, George (the musician), John, Edward and William.

Ralph's son Edward died at Clifton, Bristol in 1867. According to CEGuest, he was a Lieut, RN and married Harriet Grazebrook, but had no issue. This marriage is in the IGI in 1831 at Exeter.
Ralph's son John was a music master, and also was married. He died at Barnstaple in 1855 and can be found there with his wife Frances in the 1851 census.
Charles the eldest son was a Capt in 7th Dragoons and had numerous children. Charles Edwin  (or Edward) (1859-1904) was his grandson through his son Charles (1826-1863) a homeopathic chemist at Clifton, Brisol. Charles himself was a bank clerk.

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Gloucestershire / Re: Perryman family Bitton
« on: Tuesday 30 August 11 23:04 BST (UK)  »
These details of Jacob Perriman and his son Jonathan gave me a breakthrough - my ancestor Harriet Perryman was daughter of Jonathan's son Jonathan (1799) and his wife Hester Leonard. I knew she was probably granddaughter of Jonathan & Elizabeth but had got stuck there.
The Will of Thomas Perriman (1794-1841), another son of Jonathan (1771) was also useful - this is available from TNA

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Suffolk Lookup Requests / Re: Bury St Edmunds PRs - 1740s & 1770s - GUEST
« on: Tuesday 30 August 11 22:56 BST (UK)  »
There is a Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Mary_Guest) for Jane Mary Miles (nee Guest) 1762-1846 which says she is probably the daughter of Thomas Guest a tailor of Bath - so not Ralph's child...
She was a pupil of JCBach in 1776,  performed and published music from 1783, and taught Princesses Amelia and Charlotte.

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Shropshire / Re: GUESTs - Broseley
« on: Tuesday 30 August 11 20:57 BST (UK)  »
I have various old handwritten genealogies for the Guests. One of these is a copy of notes written by John Thorn, Canon of Stoneleigh Warwickshire (1830-1906) which mentions Thomas Guest and John Guest sons of John Guest and Mary Ann Willmore and has the descendants of the marriage between John Guest and Penelope Firmstone (née Guest).

Among these are a series of letters written in 1903 by CEGuest  great-grandson of Ralph Guest about the Guest family - he was hoping to publish a history of his branch of the Guest family but may never have done so. He sent my great-grandmother various family trees.

At the time he thought that his ancestor John Guest (bur 1777) who married Penelope Easthope (1/8/1730 at Quatford) was the son of John Guest (1679) and Mary Major, and grandson of Richard Guest (1647) & Mary Parramore, but did not have the christening which would have proved it.  Richard Guest (1647) was brother to John Guest who married Cecilia Hartshorne (whose descendant was John Guest husband of Penelope)

Presumably the link to John (1703/4) son of Charles Guest and Mary Davis is rather better established? The Richard Guest/Mary Parramore connection comes from  Hardwick's MSS Collections for History of Shropshire, extracted 1902.

Another of these old notes is a quotation from a pre-1908 Groves Dictionary of Music which refers to Ralph and George Guest; and some notes about Rev Charles Henry Hartshorne son of John Hartshorne and Ralph's eldest sister Mary


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Shropshire / Re: GUESTs - Broseley
« on: Monday 29 August 11 23:20 BST (UK)  »
I've just found this thread, trying to sort out the various Guest families of Broseley and environs (too many people with the same name!). My ancestor was Penelope Guest sister of Ralph Guest of Bury St Edmunds through her first husband. They were 2 of the children of John Guest (1703/4) & Penelope Easthope.
Penelope Guest (1738/9-1795) was a cousin of the GKN Guest family - however she married 13/10/1774 at Broseley (as her 2nd husband) John Guest (1750-1824) her cousin who was son of John Guest (1722) & Ann Willmore, and younger brother of Thomas Guest. We think that Penelope and her husband John Guest were 2nd cousins, but it depends on how you unscramble the many branches of the  family. They had 3 daughters, the youngest of who was the wife of John Onions, an iron founder at Broseley. Her first husband was John Firmstone, and his descendants were iron masters in Bilston, Staffordshire. Her son Joseph Firmstone worked at Dowlais for the Guest family where he was a furnaceman between 1784 and 1789 before having his own business in Bilston.

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Suffolk / Re: William & Ralph GUEST Bury St Edmonds
« on: Monday 29 August 11 22:42 BST (UK)  »
Ralph Guest of Bury St Edmunds (father of William) was baptised in 1743 in Broseley, in Shropshire, so of John & Penelope Guest (née Easthope). He was a musician who moved first to London and then to Bury St Edmunds. The Guest family can be traced back in Brosely to the 16th century, and Ralph is a distant cousin of the Guests of Merthyr Tydfil.

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