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Roscommon / Re: Martin Tracey, my wife's great grandfather
« on: Friday 16 September 11 18:52 BST (UK)  »
Shane, many thanks for the helpful guidance. Yes the death record was from the BMD, I had assumed the IGI meant everything from the familysearch website.
Darrin

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Roscommon / Re: Martin Tracey, my wife's great grandfather
« on: Friday 16 September 11 17:51 BST (UK)  »
I share Dec's presumption that the 3 Tracey families are likely related. They are all living just a few house numbers apart (see Toms link to the 1901 Knockcroghery census ordered by house number) and would imagine they are cousins.

We are still trying to determine the correct Patrick (b1842 versus b. 1843) who married Betty and suspect Mary Tracey of House no. 10 could be Mary Coffey the wrong Patricks wife, m. 12/12/1843 Strokestown. Their son was named Michael (was he the eldest son?) as was his father (good naming convention match) so I'm hopeful this would exclude him and confirm our Patrick as b. 1843.

There is a death record for a Mary Tracey on the IGI d. 1903 aged 68 which seems right. I'm hoping the original shows her maiden name as Coffey. Thought I could get this from rootsireland but cant find it.  Anyone know if this can be got from elsewhere online ?
Darrin

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Roscommon / Re: Martin Tracey, my wife's great grandfather
« on: Thursday 15 September 11 18:00 BST (UK)  »
Wondered whether traditional naming convention might help find the right Patrick. You noted a little doubt earlier over the correct Elizabeth Higgins b. 1841. Of the 3 potential Elizabeths on the IGI, I agree the b.1841 seems the most viable (the other 2 are less viable on account of either age or distance). Her parents of course are Martin Higgins and Anne McEvee, whilst our elusive Patrick’s parents are either Patrick and Mary (as per Patrick b.1843) or Michael and Brigid (as per b.1842). It seems that Patrick b.1843 is the more likely as it would follow that Patrick and Elizabeth named their first son after her father, their first daughter after his mother, and second daughter after her mother. Convention would normally dictate the first son after the fathers father, but perhaps felt that 3 generations of Patricks was too much and hence went with her father – and they did eventually call their last son Patrick. By contrast, looking at the other Patrick then there is no regard to convention as his fathers name was never used (Michael) and the mothers name not used until the 6th and last daughter.

The slight concern I have is that one of the other Elizabeths, b.1845, well her mother is Mary Henery. This could well be where the unusual name Henry comes in (2nd son).

Darrin

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Roscommon / Re: Martin Tracey, my wife's great grandfather
« on: Thursday 15 September 11 00:24 BST (UK)  »
Dear all, the current Knockcroghery Design Statement (large pdf file, easily googled) mentions that "the Census at that time [1837] indicated that there were 31 households n Knockcroghery.."

Does this mean the 1837 Census might be available from somewhere ?

Also - does anyone have, or know how to get the "Form B1" image from the 1901 Census for Knockcroghery.  The images available at census.nationalarchives.ie/ for all Knockcroghery entries (under "View Census Images" alongside the search findings) I've tried only have the 2nd page, listing House Nos. 18 through 27. Very interested in the first 18 houses as I think it might give some helpful clues.

Darrin

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Roscommon / Re: Martin Tracey, my wife's great grandfather
« on: Thursday 15 September 11 00:04 BST (UK)  »
Tom,
Regards the 1901 Census entry for Betty, Henry and Patt, I've just been reading the following on http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/

"5. Keep in mind that age data for some adults was in many situations an approximate age. There were many adults who reported being 50, 60, 70 or 80 rather than their actual age."

Beginning to think they must be the correct Traceys - what do you think ?
Darrin

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Roscommon / Re: Martin Tracey, my wife's great grandfather
« on: Wednesday 14 September 11 18:55 BST (UK)  »
Tom,
I had made a leap of faith on you confirming Patrick b.26/02/1842, therefore the Patrick b. 11/11/1843 means we still need to find the right one - apologies!   In fact there appears to be a 3rd Patrick b. 04/03/1844. However (i) he is from Lissonuffy, Roscommon which is a little bit away from Knockcroghery and (ii) he would have been only 16 when married, therefore I suspect we can rule him out. I have the 2 baptism extracts from rootsireland on both the 1842 and 1843 Patricks. The 1842 Patrick has parents Michael Tracy and Brigid Rorke, informants John Bolan and Mary Bolan. The 1843 has parents Patrick Treacy and Mary Kelly, informants Denis Mullin and Brigid Kenndy. Both recorded as Knockcroghery Parish.

Darrin

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Roscommon / Re: Martin Tracey, my wife's great grandfather
« on: Tuesday 13 September 11 23:25 BST (UK)  »
Tom,
My grandfather Patrick can confirm the family links to the Knockcroghery claypipe factory. This was often discussed when he was growing up. The earlier reference in this forum to Whytes (or Whites) factory in Glasgow is also relevant as he can also confirm that his grandfather worked there. Have you seen the Knockcroghery visitor centre website at www.oghamwish.com/claypipe-centre.php

PS. I'm making good progress tonight on Patrick Tracey's (b. 1842) parents and grandparents back to abt. 1800

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Roscommon / Re: Martin Tracey, my wife's great grandfather
« on: Tuesday 13 September 11 12:18 BST (UK)  »
Shane,
Apologies for daft laddy question, but how do you locate the parish index on the NLI. Havent used that site before and tried various searches unsuccessfully. Does this also include images of the microfiche records or do you need to go elsewhere for those.
Many thanks,
Darrin

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Roscommon / Re: Martin Tracey, my wife's great grandfather
« on: Tuesday 13 September 11 11:49 BST (UK)  »
I've just purchased the marriage record from rootsireland. Patrick Tracy to Elizabeth Higgins 11/01/1861. Tom, I'll email you the record. Theres very little additional info on it, just 2 witnesses Michael Moore and Catherine Higgins. Parish is Knockcroghery and marriage is definitely RC. Nothing else noted.

Darrin

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