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Family History Beginners Board / Re: George Draper
« on: Wednesday 15 May 19 17:33 BST (UK)  »
There's a Rebecca DOE b Malden, Surry 25/12/1879 who partners Joseph JAMES amongst the children of Goliath DOE and Mary Ann DRAPER in Stephen Doe's "The Family Tree of Francis Doe" which was published last year.

Hope this is of use.

Travelling People / Re: HOLLAND gypsys
« on: Wednesday 15 May 19 16:54 BST (UK)  »
If you are interested in HOLLANDs have you seen Eric Trudgill's latest compendium of data he's collected over many years "Ten Major Gypsy Families of Wales & The English West & North" which includes a Robert HOLLAND?

The ten families are: Daniel EVANS & Lydia JONES; Abel, Cinamenty & Patience RYALLS; Francis & Fanny HEAPS; Robert HOLLAND & Ann BRADBURY; George FLORENCE & Ann BAILEY; John SCARROTT & Ann HALL; Thomas SHERRIFF & Mary BUTLER; Edmund CHARLOTTE & Elizabeth JUSTICE; John & Faney WARTON; and Richard, Devit & Margaret HERON.

Hope this info is of use.

Travelling People / Re: Major Boswell
« on: Sunday 21 April 19 08:48 BST (UK)  »
There was certainly more than one Major Boswell.
The early one b1780 Bloxham Ox to John & Sarah married Lucy Boswell and Mary Linyon who’s mother was reputedly a Boswell.
The later one was son of Delere (1881 census Cheshire), or Delilah (1871 Cheshire). I believe this is Deleta widow of Clark Boswell.

Mary Linyon and Major Boswell's elopement is mentioned in the chapter "Henry Boswell 'King of the Gypsies'" in part 1 of Richard Edmund's "The Early Romany Boswells a Family History 1650-1810"

There are 15 references for the given name Major and 5 for the surname Linyan or Linian in part 2.

Buckinghamshire / Re: Places in Bradwell
« on: Wednesday 17 April 19 09:03 BST (UK)  »
I've asked a friend who lives locally and she says that she doesn't think there is a memorial plaque or Roll of Honour  as the one in St James lists all the people of any denomination.

Travelling People / Re: Tracing My Family Doe
« on: Sunday 07 October 18 11:40 BST (UK)  »
Just to say that Stephen Doe's research has now just been published, as the seventeenth of the RTFHS "Famous Romany Families" series, in The Family Tree of Francis DOE.

Other surnames included in the tree: Alexander, Appleton, Ayres, Baker, Barnes/Barney, Black, Boswell, Boughton/Bowton, Bowers, Bradaway, Buckell, Buckland, Bull, Bulpit, Cane, Catt, Cheyney, Churcher, Clarke, Cole, Cook/Cooke, Cullimore, Cummins, Curtis, Daniels, Davis, Dibley, Dore, Draper,  Driscoll, Duckett, Early, Elton, England, Etheridge, Etherton, Fentiman, Frankham, Greenman, Gregory, Grett, Gribble, Hall, Hann, Hawkins, Hearn, Heath, Hedges, Heron, Hill, Holland, Hughes, Hurley, Ingham,  Ireland, James, Jeff, Jones, Keets, Kennard, King, Lakey,  Lamb, Layshley, Lee, Light, Long, Loveridge, Matthews, Mersham, Minty, Mitchell, Mitchener, Munday, Musto, Norman, Nunn, Parsons, Pateman, Pike, Quinnell, Rawlings, Rickman, Rixon, Roberts, Robertson, Roe, Rogers, Rowe, Sadler, Saxby, Scott,  Shane, Sherwood/Sherrid, Sines/Symes, Smith, Springer, Stanley, Stevens/Stevenson, Stockwell, Stokes, Stovold, Stratton, Summer, Swan,  Thompson, Townsend, Vickers, Ward, Wenman,  Wheeler, Whettingstreet, Williams, Wolford, Young

Hope this is useful to some of you with an interest in the Does.

Travelling People / Re: Census, 2 places at once??
« on: Sunday 07 October 18 11:20 BST (UK)  »
I can't remember without checking my notes which family it is but I seem to remember finding members of the same Travelling group recorded twice, in 1851 in Buckinghamshire IIRC.

They were enumerated at place one and then it looks like some of the group - because there are less of them on the other entry - moved on to place two a few miles away and the second enumerator sent to local constable down to the camp to collect the information, as it says something like "information obtain by PC someone" if you look at the image.

I only found this because I always go to the end of an enumerator's section and see if he's enumerated any interesting people there. Doing that I've recently found a couple of suffragettes who were trying to legally defy the enumerator in 1911 by not being in a building on Census night but he found them "wandering on the highway" and so each is enumerated with that information for the address.

Travelling People / Re: FLETCHER family - were they gypsies, travellers?
« on: Monday 24 September 18 14:26 BST (UK)  »
Thanks smileyface471686 for the find of Hannah LOVEAGE shown as William MOLES' "mistress" on the 1871 census.

Forward ten years to 1881 and they are elsewhere in Kent, with more children, and all using the surname MOLES.

This Hannah is baptised in Little Brickhill May 14th 1837 to Richard LOVERIDGE and his wife Mary, he described as a tinker.

My Hannah is baptised at Little Brickhill Feb 11 1838 to William FLETCHER and Mary nee LOVERIDGE, descibed as travellers of Northants.

Her sister Sophia Fletcher is also baptised there Sep 13 1835 to William and Mary travellers of Northants

The two Hannahs look to be cousins as Richard and Mary Loveridge appear to be siblings:

Richard Loveridge married Mary Hemmons 1833 both otp
Mary Loveridge otp married William Fletcher gypsy sojourner 1834
Lucy Loveridge married Frederick Olliff, he son Thomas and she dau Benjamin a lab, both otp wits Benjamin Loveridge  and Ann Bates 1840
John Loveridge married Elizabeth White he son Benjamin tinker, she no father shown, wits Moses Loveridge and John Perry1843

all at Little Brickhill.

There are three Loveridge burials at Little Brickhill - James 1832 aged 2, James 1834 infant and Mary 1854 age 43 (probably Richard's wife)

There are nine Loveridge baptisms at Little Brickhill:

Charles Richard 1853 Nov 17 to Richard and Mary chimney sweeper born 13 Jul 1851
Elizabeth 1853 4 Dec to Richard and Mary  born 19 May 1847
the Hannah who partners William Moles in 1837
James 1831 Feb 6 to Benjamin and Hannah tinker
James 1834 Dec 18 to Richard and Mary tinker
John 1841 Dec 19 to Benjamin and Priscilla tinker and brazier
Margaret 1814 - the earliest Loveridge entry in the transcribed PRs - to Solomon and Mary tinker sojourner
Mary Ann 1853 Dec 4 to Richard and Mary chimney sweeper born 12 May 1845
Sarah 1842 Apr 17 to Richard and Mary chimney sweeper
and William 1839 4th Aug to Richard and Mary tinker

Lucy and Frederick Olliff are in Aylesbury in 1851 with Richard and Mary.

So it looks like Richard, Mary, Lucy and John are the children of Benjamin Loveridge and they all often spend time in Little Brickhill.

So Hannah FLETCHER (mother Mary Loveridge) wife of Alexander DRAPER (aka SMITH) is still awol after her marriage in 1860 in Kent.

Thanks again

Travelling People / Re: FLETCHER family - were they gypsies, travellers?
« on: Sunday 16 September 18 14:21 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much for that - I'll have a good look at these people you've found in 1871.

Travelling People / Re: Stanley Family
« on: Saturday 25 August 18 14:52 BST (UK)  »
Anne-Marie Ford's latest book "The Gypsy Countess" has some family trees in it that show the offspring of Jemima Fletcher's marriage to Henry COX, in 1815.

Jemima was the daughter of  William FLETCHER  & Sylvia/Selbea STANLEY and the Countess was Henry and Jemima's daughter Catherine.

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