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Armagh / Re: Grimes of Co. Armagh
« on: Wednesday 28 December 11 15:42 GMT (UK)  »
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?searchType=bas

I thought this one was her... Then when she marries it says she was illegitimate. Still confused, because, as I say, I thought once you were married the child was automatically assumed to be that of the husbands... Plus Mary was not a widow during the census...

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Armagh / Re: Grimes of Co. Armagh
« on: Wednesday 28 December 11 14:58 GMT (UK)  »
I thought if you were married, your child automatically got the name of the father, even if the child was not the fathers?

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Armagh / Re: Grimes of Co. Armagh
« on: Wednesday 28 December 11 13:57 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: aghadowey on Tuesday 27 December 11 20:45 GMT (UK)
Could this be Patrick in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Armagh_South_Urban/Castle_Street/324663/

Thanks so much for your help. I even found in the 1901 census that Mary had gone back to Ireland and was living with her brother with a child I had not yet known about :D. 

Do you think you have any idea why she babtised this new child with her married name, but on the childs birth cert, she is under her mothers maden name, Grimes? And when the child gets married, she is said to be illegitimate... But on the census when she is six, her mother is not a widow...

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Armagh / Re: Grimes of Co. Armagh
« on: Tuesday 27 December 11 22:54 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: aghadowey on Tuesday 27 December 11 20:45 GMT (UK)
Could this be Patrick in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Armagh_South_Urban/Castle_Street/324663/

Wow, that's really good! I am pretty sure this is him, because on the next two streets, I have found people to match his sons! You cannot imagine how long I have been trying to find them. I had almost given up hope that they had stayed in Ireland.

Now, I know Mary didn't die in Scotland... I will look and see if she returned to Ireland... The curious thing is that Mary was illiterate, and it appears her brothers could read and write, as could their wives...

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1848 coal mine accident need help reading cause of death please
« on: Tuesday 27 December 11 20:12 GMT (UK)  »
If you know the date and the name of a person who died in a coal-mining  accident (in scotland), there is a website http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/332.html that tells you all about it, and the newspaper records :)

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Armagh / Grimes of Co. Armagh
« on: Tuesday 27 December 11 20:08 GMT (UK)  »
Patrick Grimes (b 1835) married Jane Fairon (b 1830) in 1856, in a Roman Catholic Church. I think they lived at Charter School Lane, as that was where Jane gave birth to her children. Patrick was a carpenter.

Would a carpenter have been a traveler, moving towns to the next job? Alternatively, would it have meant that he stayed in one place? Because I can't find a death record for Jane or Patrick... Also, on the site where I found their marriage record, it does not say who their parents were. Was this common practice?

Their children:
Mary Grimes 1861 – 1909
 Patrick Grimes 1865 – abt 1873
 Patrick Grimes 1865 – abt 1875
 James Grimes 1868 – unknown
 Patrick Joseph Grimes 1873 – unknown

Mary Grimes was in Scotland marrying by the time she was 26, was it common that one member of a family would emigrate alone, or could it have been that the whole family went? I read on there, that there may not have been records for boarder travel from Ireland to England, for example. Is there any other way I can find out what happened to the other Grimes?

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Census and Resource Discussion / Re: Census catagory: health: blind, deaf, dumb, imbecile, idiot, or lunatic.
« on: Tuesday 27 December 11 19:40 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: LizzieL on Tuesday 27 December 11 16:24 GMT (UK)
I have found the sibling of an ancestor who was an inmate in an asylum on the 1881 census. He is described as "imbecile." In the same institution, the three categories: idiot, imbecile and lunatic are used for the other inmates, so the medical authorites must have had a clear definition of each and recognised the differences. My connection had been a soldier for 12 years but discharged due to being insane. The medical record said he had dementia caused by syphilitic poisoning.

My person is over the same kind of period as yours is. Did it say what made the other people 'idiot,' 'imbecile' or 'lunatic'? Or symptoms? Maybe by knowing what made someone fall into the other categories, I can guess what made her fall into the category of being 'imbecile'?

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Census and Resource Discussion / Re: Were seamen recorded on the 1911 census?
« on: Tuesday 27 December 11 19:34 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: stanmapstone on Tuesday 27 December 11 14:35 GMT (UK)
Quote from: KAllardyce on Tuesday 27 December 11 13:57 GMT (UK)
Apparently, some sailors were not even recorded  if they worked on a ship, because they were hired for the job at hand. However, someone told me that, so it might be incorrect...
If you mean for the Census, then that is not correct. See my previous post.

Stan

Hihihi I wish I had the contact details of the person who told me that, you could have debated with them. I don't know if you, or they are right. I was just saying what I was told, hence I said it may be in correct.

However, as for census generally, I know, for my own research, that they are perhaps  not often, but sometimes incorrect.

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Census and Resource Discussion / Re: Census catagory: health: blind, deaf, dumb, imbecile, idiot, or lunatic.
« on: Tuesday 27 December 11 19:19 GMT (UK)  »
Just as I think it is an interesting fact, I will share with you some information I gleamed when I wrote a dissertation about the asylum's The Retreat and Bootham Lunatic Asylum, in York. :) If you are looking into asylums, the significance, as you say, is often the family of the ill person. In the Retreat, the ground-breaking  Quaker institution, over a short period two young men were put into the institution as having 'a broken heart', one of who killed himself shortly into his visit. And woman was put in, 'because her husband had been lost at sea, then found [a few years] later'. The interesting thing in her case was, she seemingly had lost her mind, in their eyes, as he was found. You  can view all the patient files at York university archives. I know the period I was looking at was much earlier, but you would be shocked about what happened in those places! :)

I wondered 'imbecile', for example, was an euphemism for a set of mental illnesses (as this woman was quite recent, my great grandmother's aunt). Seemingly not. :(

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