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This Halloween, from October 27 until November 2, free and unlimited access to all death, burial, cemetery, and obituary records, that were added to MyHeritage prior to October 2021.Includes some England & Wales databases.

The Lighter Side / Re: Deceptive TV😠
« on: Saturday 23 October 21 12:01 BST (UK)  »
But (after a little checking) it appears that every trade directory and newspaper referenced is (in fact) available online, with transcriptions and indexes available.
That's not the case around here (SE London). Very few of the truly local directories (house-by-house for a single district) are online, and though the situation is improving, digitisation of local Londoin newspapers is a long way behind the rest of the country. So we're still reliant on paper copies and mictofilm.

The Common Room / Re: British Newspaper Archive
« on: Sunday 10 October 21 13:32 BST (UK)  »
The story may also have been covered in the Croydon Advertiser. I don't know whether it's been digitised. If not, you could ask Croydon Local Studies, who should have it on microfilm.

London and Middlesex / Re: Abel HARVEY burial 1905
« on: Wednesday 06 October 21 21:15 BST (UK)  »
It looks as though BookBox's warning was correct and all you have is the register/grave number. What you also need is at least the square number and preferably the row number (though I've never worked out which side of the square they count from). dawnsh's reply #2 in the thread below suggests that you need to contact the cemetery. There was no report back as to what happened when the questioner did so, but there are photo requests on Find A Grave with the above info, so it must be available.

London and Middlesex / Re: Abel HARVEY burial 1905
« on: Wednesday 06 October 21 17:41 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the tip, Bookbox. Knowing that he's at Kensal Green raises the possibility that the large number of other burials relates to a room in one of the catacombs or a family mausoleum.

But leaving a significant sum of money doesn't preclude a common grave. Unless the will specifies otherwise, it would be up to the relatives or maybe a solicitor acting as executor was required to minimise costs. The father of a famous film star is buried in an unmarked common grave at Lambeth Cemetery because he and his son didn't get on.

As to councils holding cemetery registers, many do, and this is where Deceasedonline gets much of its data, but Kensal Green isn't one of the two managed by Kensington and Chelsea, whose records aren't on DoL anyway.

London and Middlesex / Re: Abel HARVEY burial 1905
« on: Tuesday 05 October 21 14:43 BST (UK)  »
There's an entry that looks like him on deceasedonline. You have to pay for full details, including which cemetery, but the free information shows that he's buried with 16 others, most likely in a "common" (aka "public" or "pauper's") grave. This is unlikely to be marked, though sometimes you get lucky and one of them has a headstone.

London & Middlesex Resources / Re: London Burial Grounds website
« on: Thursday 23 September 21 23:29 BST (UK)  »
I am quite familiar with Streatham Cemetery and if you give me the names, dates, and plot numbers, here or by PM, I may be able to assess whether the grave can be found without need to involve the office. I might even have a photo.

If you go the PHOTOS tab on Find a Grave's main page for the cemetery. you'll find a photo of the plan on a big sign by the main gate. Click on "View original" (bottom right) to expand it in a new browser tab, and then on the map to see it at full resolution. This just shows the sections, though, not individual graves. The plot numbering is reasonaby logical, though sometimes you have to struggle to work out what that logic is! Most sections have the low numbers going around the first few rows near the paths, but in the middle may switch to running in parallel lines. There are a lot of war graves with their distinctive gravestones, and if you look at the listing on the CWGC page, you may find some near yours. But there's a lot of bare grass and some reused graves, which doesn't help.

Good luck!

The Lighter Side / Re: Unusual Occupation?
« on: Thursday 16 September 21 15:36 BST (UK)  »
I have a very very vague recollection that "goes out working" was indeed used as a euphemism for "charwoman" by my mother in the 1950s. In those days when wives were largely expected to stay at home looking after house and children like herself, mum was slightly disparaging of those who "worked", even when in the case of my posher schoolmates, the work may have been in a professional position enabling them to employ a charwoman.

My own favourite unusual occupation I came across in a local census, maybe 1871, was a "velocipede assistant". I assume he worked in a bike shop, but I have visions of him helping old ladies up the local hills for a farthing a shove!

Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Hunslet Cemetery Plan
« on: Tuesday 07 September 21 17:59 BST (UK)  »
Have you looked at Hunslet Cemetery on Find a Grave recently? From the number of memorials it looks as if the whole register has been added and the additions all have plot numbers. Moreover, you can now search by plot number, so with some trial and error you may be able to find distinctive monuments near the one you're looking for which have photos or even GPS. You could also look for photos near the corners of the Yorkshireburialsuk map sections.

Go to the above link, scroll down to the Search area and click on "More search options" which gives you a Plot field (bottom right). Wildcards are available, but the default selects by prefix, so 123 will give you 123, 1230-1239, 12300-12399 etc.

Another trick I use for finding my way around cemeteries is to print out the list of military burials from the CWGC site, as the official gravestones stand out

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