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London and Middlesex / Re: Parents of Mary Ann Sophia Thomas (1820-1907)
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 14:46 BST (UK)  »
In 1851, wife Elizabeth Thomas  - who is not at home with husband Samuel - appears to be doing Nursely duties, elsewhere in Hammersmith:

At: Caroline Terrace No. 1 ( not far from Brook Green)
Visitor: Elizabeth Thomas, married, 55, Monthly Nurse, b Chorlbury, Oxon.
In household of Thomas Walley 37, and his young family  - youngest is a new born under `1 month old

In 1851, son Edward is in Kensington with his wife Mary (nee Miller) whom he married  25 June 1848 Hammersmith and 3 children: Elizabeth 5,  Harriet 2, William 6mths

A lot more to find from these leads!  ;D


Cheers
AMBLY

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London and Middlesex / Re: Parents of Mary Ann Sophia Thomas (1820-1907)
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 14:17 BST (UK)  »
Yup..... ;D

1851 CENSUS  King Street, Hammersmith
Head: Samuel Thomas 54, Mar, , Labourer, b Isleworth, Middlesex
Son: Samuel Thomas 27, Mar, Lab, b Hammersmith


1861 CENSUS Brook Green, Margarets Row, Nr 7
Head: Samuel Thomas 64, Labourer, b Islesworth, Mdx
Wife: Ellth Thomas 64, Charlbury, Oxfordshire
Son: Edward Thpmas 39, widower, Brickmaker, b Hamsmith, Mdx
Son: Samuel Thomas 37, Un, Labourer, b Hamsmith, Mdx
Gr-Dau: Harriet Thomas 11,b Hamsmith, Mdx
Gr-Dau: Sarah Thomas 8, b Hamsmith, Mdx
Lodger: Ann Jackson Widow, 87, b Hamsmith, Mdx

and right after them,  in the same dwelling/address, a separate family:

Head: Thos Castle 41, Labourer, b ?Northamptonshire, Parish N.K.
Mary Castle 40, b Hamsmith, Mdx
Dau: Mary Castle 12, b Hamsmith, Mdx
Son: Samuel Castle 9, b Hamsmith, Mdx
Dau: Elizabeth Castle 7, b Hamsmith, Mdx
Dau: Sophia Castle 5, b Kensington, Mdx
Dau: Ann Castle 3, b Hamsmith, Mdx
Son: Thomas Castle 6mths, Hamsmith, Mdx

Cheers
AMBLY

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London and Middlesex / Re: Parents of Mary Ann Sophia Thomas (1820-1907)
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 13:57 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

Just adding re the marriage  18 Oct 1840 - both bride and groom lited as "A Minor" for age and both resident in Fulham. Groom:  Thomas Castle, Labourer, Father: Thomas Castle , Labourer. I think the 2nd witness was "Thomas Hackman".

There is this baptism:
Mary Ann Sophia Thomas
Baptised 25  Jun 1820, Fulham Parish, Middleses
Daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Thomas
Father: Gardener
Abode: North End

And there is this 1841 Census that I'm looking sideways at:

// Brook Green Place, Hammersmith
Peg Gen (?) 8
Sam'l " Gen  2
Sam'l " Gen 43, Gardener
Eliz " Gen 40, "
Mary Castle 21, "
Tho's " Castle 21, "
Sam'l Thomas 17, "
Wm ", 6, " Thomas
//
All listed as b I (Ireland) I think ( except it looks like a T ) and except Wm Thomas, who is  Y (born in County) and all dittoed down as being a "Gardener"

Piece 690/Book1/Folio8 - page 11

I think there's been a bit of a muddle up, at the top. The 2 yr old is listed as a dittoed Carpenter.
I'd lay bets Samuel  age 43 is surname Thomas? Unless you have your fairly  newly wed Mary Ann Sophia and Thomas elsewhere in 1841?

Cheers
AMBLY


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World War Two / Re: Searching Serjeant Stanley Richie
« on: Sunday 24 March 24 13:10 GMT (UK)  »
Here is this newspaper report


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World War Two / Re: Searching Serjeant Stanley Richie
« on: Sunday 24 March 24 12:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Ruud!
Welcome to Rootschat  :)

He is the information from CWGC (Commonwealth War Graves Commission)
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2054576/stanley-ritchie/
Aged 23 when he died 2 Feb 1945
Son of John and Agnes Ritchie, of Belfast, Northern Ireland.

I can see you've already been on this site  ;) :
https://www.paradata.org.uk/people/stanley-ritchie

Cheers
AMBLY

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: brown family
« on: Saturday 23 March 24 07:13 GMT (UK)  »
Other researchers online:
https://www.bnl.bm/2011/08/29/bermuda-history-genealogy/comment-page-4/
"Robert William Duncan who, according to his marriage certificate was born in Somerset, Bermuda in June 1885. His parents names were John Duncan and Margaret Duncan (nee McGrath).

and:
https://www.bnl.bm/2011/08/29/bermuda-history-genealogy/comment-page-5/
 "I ordered this from Bermuda many years ago and it arrived but when I contacted them recently for more info they had no trace of this birth certificate......My grandfather was born in Sandy’s Parish Bermuda on 4 June 1878 to a father listed as Duncan Brown a sapper in the Royal Engineers and mother Margaret Brown nee McGrath or MaGrath.

WW1 record
Joined the AIF 18 Aug 1914
Enlisted:     Blackboy Hill, Western Australia
Robert William Duncan
Age 29 years, 2 mnths (4.6.85)
Occupation: Clerk
Born Ratheslathe, London Surrey (is this meant to be Rotherhithe?)
Sister: Ruby Duncan, 88 Great Howard Street, Liverpool, Lancashire
Had served 2½ years in RAGA (WA)
Description: 5',11¾", blue eyes,  brown hair, fair complexion, Roman Catholic
Honorably Discharged Egypt 1916
A note re conditions of Discharge saying, the Army wouldn't be paying for his return "home"

How and when did he return to Australia?

RAGA
Royal Australian Garrison Artillery

So the AIF record indicates he was in Australia at least from around 1911 or so?

I couldn't find 88 Great Harwood  - in any census near 1914.

Cheers
AMBLY

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: HULL SEAMAN'S & GENERAL ORPHAN ASYLUM
« on: Wednesday 20 March 24 21:03 GMT (UK)  »
wow! maddys52!   ;D
Great sleuthing! Finding the report with Martha Hall's name actually in it!  That all ties in with her being 15 or 16  - and probably soon released out into the world to fend for herself.

Found this old thread, it includes information about where the old records for the Asylum/orphanage are kept etc.,
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=268058.27

Cheers
AMBLY

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: HULL SEAMAN'S & GENERAL ORPHAN ASYLUM
« on: Wednesday 20 March 24 02:44 GMT (UK)  »
I think the following is the family of the 1871 Census Martha Hall,  and it fits very well to the Martha Hall who received the Bible.......

I believe the husband/father of the Census family  was Thomas Garton Hall who died 1873 and he was a ship's Carpenter.  He married Mary Ann Clark in 1862 and they had (at least) 2 daughters Martha (1863) and Fanny Elizabeth (1865).  This Martha married Arthur Tom Fletcher in 1888, with sister Fanny Elizabeth as a witness, and her father stated to be : Thomas Garton Hall, Carpenter (dec'd)

MARRIAGE 1888 Registered: MQ Sculcoates
Arthur Tom FLETCHER
Martha HALL

Married 25 Feb 1888, Parish of St Paul Sculcoates
Arthur Tom Fletcher, 25, Bachelor. Mechanic, 18 Liiddel St. Father : John? Fletcher, Butcher
Martha HALL 24, Spinster, 16 Sarah Ennis??  Street, St Paul. Father: Thomas Garton Hall, Carpenter (dec'd)
Witness: Edward Thorp Nicholson + Fanny Elizabeth Hall

This marrying couple are in 1891, 1901, 1911 Census.
They had a daughter named Fanny Elizabeth Fletcher in 1896
Martha's age 27 in 1891, 37 in 1901 (the 1871 Martha was age 7)

Working backwards:

MARRIAGE 1862
Thomas Gaston (Garton)  Hall + Mary Ann Clark, Sculcoates 1862

BIRTH:
Martha HALL, mms CLARK - DQ 1863 Sculcoates
Fanny Elizabeth HALL, mms CLARK - DQ 1865 Sculcoates

ELECTORAL REGISTER 1868, Sculcoates
Thomas Garton Hall, Sykes Street

DEATH :
Thomas Garton Hall,  age 48, Registered Hull  Sep Qtr 1873

I'd lay bets this is the family of Martha Hall receiving the bible in 1876.  Amazing to be able to find such strong leads, with such a common surname :-)  (I have a whole parcel of HALL from Hull/Sculcoates - no Martha's though)

If not HALL, does FLETCHER or CLARK feature in your Dad's family history?

Cheers
AMBLY

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: HULL SEAMAN'S & GENERAL ORPHAN ASYLUM
« on: Wednesday 20 March 24 01:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Darter50,
Welcome to Rootschat :)

Worth mentioning ..When The Time comes for me, my children will find a few bibles amongst my possessions, with names and dates in them  - that are nothing to do with our family. I have collected/rescued a few old bibles that caught my eye, in Op Shops (Charity Shops), (Rummage sales)  ;D

As for Martha Hall in the Hull Seaman's & General Orphanage in 1876.....  she doesn't appear to be there in 1881:
https://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/HullSeamen/HullSeamen1881.shtml

There is a 15 yrs old Fanny Eliz. Hall  enumerated only.

Interestingly there is this 1871 Census:
CENSUS 1871:  at  23 James Street, Southcoats, Holderness, Hull
Wife: Mary Ann HALL 41 married, Ship Carpenter's wife, b Beverley Yorkshire
Dau: Martha HALL 7, b Hull
Dau: Fanny E HALL  5, b Hull

Has your Dad's family history been researched on both sides?  Is HALL a family name, even if you don't recognise there having been a "Martha"?

Cheers
AMBLY

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