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I looked up
 http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=marley&firstname=&county=Sligo&parish=&townland=&search=Search
with 6 results in Sligo
Marley   Mark    Toanlehovan   Drumrat   Sligo   1833
Marley   Mark    Toanlehovan   Drumrat   Sligo   1833
Marley   Thoms    Lauragh   Skreen      Sligo   1833
Marley   Mauce    Ross      Skreen      Sligo   1833
Marley   Domk    Ross      Skreen      Sligo   1833
Marley   Margt    Ross      Skreen        Sligo   1833

I opened the Thoms Marley entry

Lauragh townland, Skreen civil parish,  Diocese Killalla County Sligo in the year 1833
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625718/004625718_00085.pdf
my reading of original book with difficulty is could be part of property no 130 but in Lauragh townland but nevertheless in townland Carrownurlare  as on the previous page and also on this top of this page suggests. now as new section  starting with Carrowcuslane townland, the entry read Thom Murray in
quantity 2 acres 2 roods 10 perche? arable rateable value £1.6 shillings. the property above has paid rent £6 for 1acre 4 perches no roods  and has rareable land £1 four shillings
leaving Mr Marley with just £1 six shillings.

there are 3 Darby Marley  same source in all Ireland
Marley   Darby   Rosgalliff   Burrishoole   Mayo   1832
Marley   Darby   Rosgalliv   Burrishoole   Mayo   1832
Marley   Darby   Carroreagh   Clondevaddock   Donegal   1834
No Peter or David Marley in this source
Millarkey   Shaw   Glengad   Culdaff   Donegal   1828

do you think any connection to your interests

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Longford / Re: The Payne Family in Tashinny/Cashel/Killashee, Longford Co
« on: Saturday 05 June 21 09:06 BST (UK)  »
I am out of my depth, however my guide would be to look at
http://www.billmacafee.com who was studying derry and antrim
and has headings
Databases compiled from 19th Century Census Substitutes
Databases compiled from 18th Century Census Subtitutes
Databases compiled from 17th Century Census Subtitutes
best of luck hoping some are on line

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Antrim / Re: HERBISON and MULLEN
« on: Tuesday 25 May 21 09:48 BST (UK)  »
earlier records would include church records etc and the irish genealogy hub has indexs of Co antrim Tithe Applotment Book entries 1823-1837, which sometimes helps going further back in time but it is incomplete
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/larne-parish.php has no
Harbeson, Harbinson, Harbison, Harbusson, Herbertsan, Herbinson, Herbison
however there is an entry for a Mullen variant
Mullin, Thomas Townland: Ballylorran Year: 1834
I can supply all the entries for Co Antrim but without a knowledge of civil parishes you might need help there is a free map with numbered list iof parish names
Coal mining in Co Antrim existed see the book by Alan McCutcheon industrial Archaeology of Northern Ireland

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Antrim / Re: Vow Ferry
« on: Monday 24 May 21 15:49 BST (UK)  »
Tim, I applaud your effort to find out more. the ecatalogue at PRONI Belfast produced two of the five {V-Z } references which are relevant      

{V}PRONI Reference   Date(s)   Title/Description   Digital Record
D1238/191   27 July 1914   Capt. O'Neill. Circular letter. [re the security arrangements for the Bann.
the 2nd battalion is covering Vow Ferry What is this about?      

{Z}MIC6C/4   1177-1838     Dunaghy [Co. Antrim] Several areas covered   
Dunaghy [Co. Antrim]..........
Dundermot [Co. Antrim].........
Duneane [Co. Antrim].............
Dunluce [Co. Antrim]...............
Finvoy [Co. Antrim].
1. [Memoir] by James Boyle, Sep. 1835 (19pp)
Natural Features and Natural History with description of bogs,pp1-6
[II] Modern Topography describes village of Dunloy, gentlemen's seats of Moore Lodge, Cullytrummin, Culmore, The Glebe, and ferry from townland of Vow, pp7-11
[III] Social Economy mentions Scots settlers, habits of the people, and tradition concerning Mary Kerr's island in the river Bann with table of education, pp13-19
2. [Officer's] Statistical Account by Lieut R Alexander, 26 Sep. 1831 (5pp)
Describes topography, farms, hamlet of Dunloy, population and antiquities.
3. [Part of Memoir on] Ancient Topography by J Stokes (6pp + 6App)
Describes the ecclesiastical and pagan sites especially forts.
Drawings
4. [Draft of Memoir] (10pp)
 [Office copy]
Natural Features and Natural History, bogs, woods, pp1-3
[II] Ancient Topography, p.4
[III] Social Economy describes schools, Productive Economy, pp5-8
[IV] Divisions of land pp9-10
 
IN GRIFFITHS on page 21-22 in Vow townland  Finvoy no mention of a ferry .  The inhabitants of Vow townland are listed including mcCurdy at property  worth looking at them and map
map ref 13a Hugh McCurdy
map ref 13b William McCurdy
map ref 13e William McCurdy
there is another,  in Alexander in Artnagros [if its your family history then they are in the 1901 and 1911 census and in 1834 Tithe Applotment books it was McCurdy, William-Townland : Vow Upper Year: 1834-Finvoy-Antrim see irish genealogy hub
so as you say close by I looked up the map references
The mcurdy homes were to the east of the mill pond belonging to the mill About 300 yards south west of them is a dotted diagonal line across the Bann leading from its roughly from  a few yards north of the the current B&B “Waters Edge”  136 Vow Road, Ballymoney, BT53 7NU
, the line leads to the west side of the Bann historically marked 7B in Tamlaght  but in which parish?  one of the maps shows only rry for ferry. so well done for finding it

The Ferry bit leads me to Author   McCutcheon, W. A. (William Alan)
Title   The industrial archaeology of Northern Ireland / W.A. McCutcheon most recent edition might have information or write to the ulster museum and Ulster folk and transport museum for any old photographs  etc
good luck onwards

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Meath / Re: John Brown Burnell born 1782 Trim, Meath?
« on: Saturday 22 May 21 17:22 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lesley, its useful showing your name because one of my searches on GenesReunited showed repeatedly a ‘Les’ treeholder  Surely too much of a coincidence? I think it must be you. I ended up with this list
GenesReunited
Burnell in Holyhead Anglesey
Owen   Burnell   1876   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Hugh   Burnell   1874   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Ann   Burnell   1872   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Edward Burnell   1871   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Catherine Burnell   1868   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Mary   Burnell   1867   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
David   Burnell   1863   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
William Burnell   1860   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
William Burnell   1860   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
John   Burnell   1858   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
Anne   Burnell   1855   HOLYHEAD Gwynedd Wal...   No   Les
Jane   Burnell   1852   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
Mary   Burnell   1850   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   William
Jonathan Burnell   1847   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
Jonathon Burnell   1847   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   William
Hugh   Burnell   1846   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Hugh   Burnell   1845   HOLYHEAD, Anglesey, ...   No   William
Elizabeth Burnell   1831   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
Jane   Burnell   1830   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
Robert   Burnell   1829   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
Jonathan Burnell   1826   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
Jonathon Burnell   1826   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   William
William Burnell   1825   Anglesey Wales ...      No   Les
William Burnell   1824   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
Jonathan Burnell   1823   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
Jonathan Burnell   1800   Not known, Wales ...      No   Les
Jonathan Burnell   1798   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin

it made me wonder had an earlier Jonathan Burnell come to ireland and become known as John.  then I checked Burnell as a last name in the Oxford Names companion 1998  no explanation! just referred to BROWN where it suggested Brown was given as an anglicization of a Jewish name Burnel and here was I seeking information on a John Brown Burnell ?
carrying on
GenesReunited Burnell in ireland   
John   Burnell/Byrnell   1840   Trim, Meath, Ireland...   No   Margaret
Samuel   Burnell/Byrnell   1838   Trim, Meath, Ireland...   No   Margaret
Ann   Burnell/Byrnell   1837   Trim Meath, Ireland ...   No   Margaret   
Eliza   Burnell   1837   Meath Ireland ...   No   Yvonne   
Catherine   Burnell/Byrnell   1835   Trim, Meath, Ireland...   No   Margaret
Willam   Burnell/Byrnell   1832   Trim, Meath, Ireland...   No   Margaret
Elizabeth   Burnell   1831   Meath, Ireland ...   No   David   Find out more
Eliza   Burnell/Byrnell   1830   Trim, Meath, Ireland...   No   Margaret 
I checked the irish tithes for the spelling Byrnell  without success for all ireland.

do you know of Margarets tree it seems possible she has your Catherine but 1835 not 1836
 and Ann 1837 not 1838, I also thought Gavins tree worth investigating


I speculated could  jonathan b 1800 had joined the army for say 7 years and was sent to ireland  and married there.
 
before I leave the scene the I made a little draft tree of the entries in each census
1841 Census has at Bryn Gwyn Holywood I make up a tree presumably all one family relationship not recorded
B1.Jonathan Burnell b 1801 aged 40  Anglesey        m Abigail Burnell  neeXXXXX b 1801 aged 40   Anglesey
children
B1.1.-B1.7 see census all born Anglesey
1851 Census for Anglesey
address in Liain Ddrain Harp Street Holyhead Anglesey draft includes all b ireland
A1.John Burnell b 1785 aged 66 Ireland Stone Cutter       
Mary Burnell b 1803 age 48  Ireland wife
children
A1.1- A1.5 ie 5 named includes Catherine but missing Ann Maria Burnell 1838
1861 census
address at Bryn Gwyn Holywood
.Jonathan Burnett spelling sic b 1801 aged 60  Anglesey    Boilermaker Pensioner widower   
children Jane Parry b 1830 aged 31 daughter m to William Parry agricultural Labourer
grandson William Burnell b 1844 Anglesey
1871 1881 1891 have run out of time
good luck onwards

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Meath / Re: John Brown Burnell born 1782 Trim, Meath?
« on: Friday 21 May 21 19:33 BST (UK)  »
hi Lesley could this be a relative
please note the only Burnells in
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587398/004587398_00228.pdf is

Surname   Forename   Townland/Street   Parish      County   Year

Burnell   Thomas   Ardbraccan   Ardbraccan   Meath   1825
Burnell   M      Ballybay   Monaghan   1829
Burnell   Henry   Commons Of Rouen   Dysert   Clare   1843
Burnell   Henry   Claunigleighane   Dysert   Clare   1843
Burnell   John   Kiltigura   Dysert   Clare   1843
Burnell   John   Ballyogan Beg   Dysert   Clare   1843
Burnell   Michl   Mheree Commons   Dysert   Clare   1843
Burnell   Maurice   Monaghan   Inishmacsaint   Fermanagh   1834
Burnell   Patk   Castle Quarter   Kilkeedy   Clare   1842
Burnell   Michl   Castle Quarter   Kilkeedy   Clare   1842

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Ireland / Re: Thomas Dorman 1847, Parent Records.
« on: Friday 21 May 21 16:45 BST (UK)  »
have you seen http://www.newtownardshistory.co.uk/family-dorman.htm  part extract
Dorman, Hugh - 9th. February 1868 - (Father Thomas Dorman) - (Mother Mary Connery)
Dorman, Rechael - 2nd. March 1870 - (Father Thomas Dorman) - (Mother Mary Connery)
Dorman, Thomas - 21st. February 1873 - (Father Thomas Dorman) - (Mother Mary Connery) - Later joined the British Military as soldier no. 1600
Dorman, William - 2nd. March 1876 - (Father Thomas Dorman) - (Mother Mary Connery)
Dorman, Mary Ann - 5th. August 1879 - (Father Thomas Dorman) - (Mother Mary Connery)

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Sligo / Re: Daniel Fowley(b 1826) Ancestor Lookup
« on: Wednesday 19 May 21 19:59 BST (UK)  »
looking at a record 1823-1833 The Tithe Applotment Books http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625680/004625680_00541.pdf
it shows two single line entries for the whole county
Fowley   Owen   Kilcare townland   Kilmacteige parish   Sligo   1825
Fowley   Owen   Kilcare townland   Kilmactranny parish   Sligo   1833
this could be the same person 8 years later or two different people  the same website allows you to search for last name spelling variations

moving to Griffiths Valuation which you know well using https://www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php
 produces
Fowley   Hugh   Sligo Church Lane   St. Johns   Sligo
Fowley   Jacob   Gortnagrelly   Drumcliff   Sligo
Fowley   Hugh   Gortnagrelly   Drumcliff   Sligo
Fowley   Daniel   Gortnagrelly   Drumcliff   Sligo
Fowley   Patrick   Glackbaun   Cairy   Sligo
i agree it looks like jacob is the father
 for more information including a boundary map if you are lucky go to http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=9&Submit=Submit&familyname=Fowley&firstname=First+Name&countyname=SLIGO look up the details for each of the three living in same townland then move to maps find the townland and find the outline of boundaries and buildings.
Daniel has map ref 2a in Gortnagrelly townland. looking that up shows 14 acres and house valued for tax at ten shillings pa next I look up modern google map and satellite and often spot streetlevel scenes of the current buildings sometimes including bits of the older bldgs
3 males living in same townland could easily be close relatives or father of Daniel . I would next search townland mapsand print them out  to discover how close all the fowey are together.
Gortnagrelly lastly Griffiths valuation was followed by valuation continuation books held in Dublin
have fun

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Longford / Re: The Payne Family in Tashinny/Cashel/Killashee, Longford Co
« on: Tuesday 18 May 21 13:52 BST (UK)  »
I seem to find no mention of George
 the tithe Applotment books record two extra parishes but possible father etc
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=payne&firstname=&county=Longford&parish=&townland=&search=Search
Payne   Alexander   Dernadriff   Cashel   Longford   1827
Payne   James   Dernadriff   Cashel   Longford   1827
Payne   John   Dernadriff   Cashel   Longford   1827
Payne   James   Drumnacross   Clonbroney   Longford   1825
Payne   Abraham   Ballydrum   Killashee   Longford   1835
Payne   Abreham   Ballydrum   Killashee   Longford   1835
Payne   Dominick   Barry   Taghshinny   Longford   1830
Payne   Gilbert   Kileuny   Taghshinny   Longford   1830

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