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Gloucestershire / Re: seward Family Sadler's Wells theatre Cheltenham
« on: Sunday 19 November 23 22:16 GMT (UK)  »
Any problems, let me know. You can get me at peteclifford58@gmail.com

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Gloucestershire / Re: seward Family Sadler's Wells theatre Cheltenham
« on: Sunday 19 November 23 20:11 GMT (UK)  »
I've only just seen your reply! I hope you're still following this. Trying to attach...

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Gloucestershire / Re: seward Family Sadler's Wells theatre Cheltenham
« on: Wednesday 30 November 22 18:19 GMT (UK)  »
Not sure if anyone is still following this thread, but I wrote an article for Cheltenham Local History Society on the Sewards. If anyone is interested, let me know and I’ll share it.

Pete

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I’m also researching this Gregson family and would be keen to compare notes with anyone who’s interested.

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Gloucestershire / Re: seward Family Sadler's Wells theatre Cheltenham
« on: Monday 22 April 19 14:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi Gemma.

My great-great-grandmother Eliza Seward (1834-1914) was the daughter of Joseph Seward (1804-1864) and granddaughter of Abraham Seward (1772-1837), the scene painter. Abraham's father Samuel Seward (c.1737-1810) was a trumpeter, puppeteer, showman and theatre owner.
https://database.theatrestrust.org.uk/resources/theatres/show/1273-new-clarence-theatre
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1381134

Eliza married my great-great-grandfather Thomas Clifford in 1857. My great-grandfather George (1861-1943) was their 5th child.

I've only recently established the connection between Eliza's grandfather Abraham and the Seward family of showmen and musicians, and have become fascinated by it. I am thinking I would like to write an article about the family, possibly in the hope of getting it published by Cheltenham Local History Society in their research bulletin.




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Gloucestershire / Re: seward Family Sadler's Wells theatre Cheltenham
« on: Monday 22 April 19 12:18 BST (UK)  »
I am also researching this Seward family. Joseph Seward (1804-1864) was my 3 x great-grandfather. Let me know if you would like to exchange information.

Pete

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Gloucestershire / Death of Abraham Seward Sep 1837
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 14:03 GMT (UK)  »
The death of Abraham Seward, scene painter, at Gloucester Infirmary, was reported in the Cheltenham Journal and Gloucestershire Fashionable Weekly Gazette of 25 September 1837 (attached). But I can find no trace that his death was registered (OK, it was early days for the new system), but also no trace of a burial anywhere either.

Can anyone suggest where he might have been buried, if not in a Gloucestershire churchyard? Any civil cemeteries open in Gloucester at this date?


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Further questions...

4. So far as I can see the document is undated? Am I right?

5. So far as I can see there is no indication of the nature of the relationship between the various Harryses? Correct? I think it is likely John is the father and the others his sons, but I don't think this confirms that directly in any way?

Thanks

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Many thanks to everyone who has responded, especially horselydown86 for his/her insight and translation. I had managed to work out the property in question, but was (am?) unsure exactly what was happening here.

Yes, I agree this does seem to be a variant of a standard fine.

Questions (apologies if these are naive/uninformed)...

1. As I understand it, a fine was a fictitious court case that was used as means of transferring the land from one party to another. This seems to be slightly different. Do we think this is part of a genuine court case, or part of the standard fine process?

2. To put things rather simplistically, are the 7 Harrys selling the land to Broade? Or are they acknowledging him as a tenant of land they hold? Should this be interpreted in the context of manorial land holding somehow?

3. What might giving a warranty against yourself mean?! Does that clause suggest there had been some genuine grievance that had been taken to court perhaps?

Thanks


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