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Flintshire Lookup Requests / Re: wilson in overton, flint
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 11:40 BST (UK)  »
Not an easy thing to confirm, as Richard Parry Price would not have wanted to publicise the liaison!

However I have traced oral tradition handed down, all slightly different but independent, from four of William Wilson's children
1. from Margaret Wilson's (b.1812) descendants, that Ann Wilson was housekeeper and mistress of Richard Parry Price
2. from George Wilson's (b. 1815) descendants; a descendant by marriage of his daughter Phillis sent a document typed by her father-in-law which says "the  family attended the funeral of Squire Price and at that time were told that he was their grandfather" [George Wilson is my ancestor but I am descended from one of his sons, not from Phillis] - but the dates don't fit this claim as Richard Parry Price died in 1782 when William was only a year old, let alone grandchildren not then born!
3. from Richard Wilson's (b.1817) descendants; a document on which is a transcription of an account of Richard's son David with his grandmother Catherine (William Wilson's wife), and says that Ann Wilson was set up in a villa at Lightwood Green (part of Overton) where William Wilson's children were born (and Lightwood Green is where the local brickpits are; William Wilson became a master(?) bricklayer)
4. from Robert Wilson (b.1819) more directly; his burial record from Cassia cemetery, Idaho, gives his father's name as William Price Wilson

Richard Parry Price married Anne Puleston in 1764; William was born in 1781 when she was still alive (in fact she outlived Richard) and the Puleston family have rejected with disdain any suggestion that Richard had a mistress. But it is curious that Richard Parry Price and Anne Puleston produced a child within a year of marriage but none thereafter. Were marital relations all they should be? despite a touching memorial to Richard erected by Anne  in St Mary's, Birkenhead.

And finally, analysis of the document from (above)suggests that the Ann Wilson who was the mistress may not have been, as some internet trees have it, the daughter of William Wilson but instead the daughter of his cousin Charles. This William and Charles were both butchers in Overton, so probably in partnership; the birth of daughters called Ann, one in 1741 (to Charles) and one in 1743 (to William) is recorded in the parish registers; but one of them died in 1768, and the registers don't say which!

I reckon that the balance of probability is that William Wilson was Richard Parry Price's son, but it is still probability! Are you also a descendant of William Wilson, and if so on what branch? Let me know if you need any of this as documentation.

David Wilson

Flintshire Lookup Requests / Re: wilson in overton, flint
« on: Saturday 15 September 12 14:18 BST (UK)  »
Thanks - I'll go to the local Record Office which subscribes to FindMy Past and have a look.

Going back to the original question, we've now turned up Robert Wilson's burial records from Cassia, Idaho, which name his father (the reputed son of Richard Parry Price) as "William Price Wilson"

Flintshire Lookup Requests / Re: wilson in overton, flint
« on: Thursday 13 September 12 20:29 BST (UK)  »

Well there certainly are those names in the Transripts.
 Key. 8 Overton Vol 3(2) Baptisms 1755-1782 Burials 1755-1782

8 Overton:   WILSON  Ann, Anne, Charles, Christian, John, Mary, Thomas, William;

Thanks - I need to look at the original (so must travel up to Flintshire some time) to check that Anne Wilson and Richard Parry Price are explicitly linked.

Flintshire Lookup Requests / Re: wilson in overton, flint
« on: Thursday 13 September 12 20:25 BST (UK)  »
Although much later I have Wilson family from Overton in my Tree starting with a Charles Wilson born in 1811.I don't have access to the Overton records here at home but if you are prepared to wait a little I will shortly be viewing them at the Clwyd FHS Resource Centre at Cefn Mawr.

William Russell Jones.
Family trees on have Charles Wilson b 1811 Flintshire m. Sarah Griffiths (b. 1811 Erbistock Denbigh) ; parents Charles Wilson( b. 1789 Overton) and Elizabeth Jones (b. 1793) m. Overton 30/7/1810 - not guaranteed reliable but may give you a quick entry to the search. If you come across either Charles b 1766 or William b 1781 do let me know

Flintshire Lookup Requests / wilson in overton, flint
« on: Wednesday 12 September 12 19:51 BST (UK)  »
So far my research on this family pre-1800 has been via trees on FamilySearch etc - often to be taken with a grain of salt! So this is a request for a lookup of the original record.

My ancestor William Wilson was christened (maybe born) in Overton on 30/12/1781. He took his mother's name, Anne Wilson, a sure sign that she wasn't married. There is a fair amount of anecdotal evidence that the father was Richard Parry Price, the local squire (despite the fact that he refers to his then lawfully wedded wife, Anne Puleston, in his will, as 'my dear wife' and she to him on his memorial as 'a tender husband').

Does anyone know if the father's name is given on the christening record, and if so, is it Richard Parry Price? And as a supplementary, is there a record of another child, Charles Wilson, born to Anne Wilson and Richard Parry Price, christened (or born) 7/9/1766?

Incidentally, William Wilson died at 40, leaving a widow Catherine nee Davi(e)s. I have good documentation for the conversion of her, as a widow, and some of her children to Mormonism at an early date - and for her emigration to America by sailing ship then steamboat on the Mississippi, finally at 60 being one of the oldest women to undertake the overland trek to Salt Lake City only a year after Brigham Young founded the settlement in Utah. She died in Utah at the age of 96. They don't make them like that any more!

Family History Beginners Board / Re: George & William Wilson, coachmen
« on: Tuesday 10 July 12 21:34 BST (UK)  »
... and suddenly it gets easier ... Lancashire Parish Clerks online (an excellent site) takes the ancestry of George's wife Phillis back to Colne Lancs in early 18th century - a whole lot of inbred surnames Riley, Pilling and Binns amongst them

Family History Beginners Board / Re: George & William Wilson, coachmen
« on: Tuesday 10 July 12 16:30 BST (UK)  »
Well the ideas on here have given the spur for a fresh try - and successful!

RG9/3034 In 1861 George is a coachman at Harefield Lodge (working at the Hall, presumably) in Rochdale, now Heywood. His wife is Phillis and his son William is a groom, so he's in the right trade, even if it says he was born in Broughton Lancs not Bowdon Cheshire!

Thanks for the inspiration

Family History Beginners Board / Re: George & William Wilson, coachmen
« on: Tuesday 10 July 12 15:48 BST (UK)  »
Thanks to everyone for jumping in and chasing this for me.

I'm afraid George's address is just given as 'Middleton' though Mary's address is given more fully as Crescent Rd., Dukinfield

Family History Beginners Board / Re: George & William Wilson, coachmen
« on: Tuesday 10 July 12 15:01 BST (UK)  »
Witnesses are J H Maxwell and Thomas Yoxall.

William and Mary Wilson moved around a lot

1871 Record Office reference RG10/5658 in Rhossddu Wrexham
1881 Record Office reference RG11/3834 in Little Bolton, Bolton (where my grandfather, John Charles, appears)
1891 RG12/4680 in 19 Derby (?Darby) Square, Onchan, Isle of Man
1901 RG13 3540 86 High Park Road Southport with John Charles though Mary is in Manchester at this time

I had already tried William Wilson born in Bowdon 1841, no father included in search; the nearest I got was one born in Altrincham. I sent for a copy of that birth certificate, but alas! the father's name was not George but another William.

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