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Lanarkshire / Thank you Mitchell Library for removing a roadblock
« on: Monday 10 February 14 20:39 GMT (UK)  »
Having made most of the common progress on our family tree, we had a massive roadblock in the form of my maternal grandfather who was generally understood to have been an orphan and boarded out to a highland estate to learn a trade etc.

All we had was a copy of registration of his birth with his birthday, place of birth (22 hope st) and mothers name.

With a common surname (Wilson) and so little to go on, I burned up a lot of credits on scotlandspeople - and some hours in their premises - without making any progress.

Last June I approached the archives at Mitchell Library (from a suggestion here I think but I cannot now find the thread) by email to see if they had any records relating to poor relief etc.

On the downside, it took until last week before they could look at my request, but they always acknowledged my prompts in the interim :)

On the upside, I received this weekend the most useful package of information from them that has opened doors to a whole area of our family history.

The detail is distressing - a young woman having to find her own way after the death of both parents, falling pregnant and the father disappearing, becoming ill, entering the poorhouse with a young son and dying weeks later.

But the detail in the records allows us to follow lines that were previously closed off, and to add a perspective to our family history that would have been sadly missing otherwise.

Thank you Mitchell Library!

Stewart

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Kinross-shire / Re: Was there a Portmoak poor house?
« on: Tuesday 18 June 13 10:37 BST (UK)  »
It may possibly mean "Private"?

What was the actual address given?

Annie

Having obtained the census image from SP, it looks like "Pr House" is simply a private house, as every address on the page is listed as such - apart from "The House of Michael Bruce Poet".

So it seems with no addresses as we know them today in these rural areas, unless there was some way of identifying a specific house, it was simply labelled "private house".

I do keep trying to use sources other than SP for different perspective or to manage costs, but time after time - and often after wrangling with poor transcriptions etc - I find there is no substitute for seeing the actual document.

Thanks everyone - sorry for the wild goose chase.

Stewart



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Kinross-shire / Was there a Portmoak poor house?
« on: Friday 03 May 13 14:53 BST (UK)  »
Ancestry.com record (testing free trial) for 1881 has 3 generations of my family living in "Pr House" in Portmoak. Schedule 66.

Thanks

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Lanarkshire / Re: Trying to piece together my "orphan" grandfather's story
« on: Wednesday 01 May 13 22:18 BST (UK)  »
Yes Monica, that is my next best hope I think.

This is especially frustrating as the rest of my family research has been relatively straightforward and has produced good results from some fairly straightforward work. Relatively regular families, staying within certain localities over the centuries.

Then this more transient situation with a less stable family context and all the confusion around what was deliberate obfuscation, what was mistold, misremembered etc.

But I won't leave it alone ...

I do appreciate the suggestions here :) Thanks everyone.

Stewart


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Lanarkshire / Re: Trying to piece together my "orphan" grandfather's story
« on: Wednesday 01 May 13 17:03 BST (UK)  »
I may have been getting my masons and my orange orders mixed up. Pretty sure he was a mason, but I just learned it was a James Wilson who formed the orange order so I need to go and find the photos to be sure there wasn't some reference in his naming! My memory is of him marching to church (of scotland) when visiting us in Langholm.

Yes, I do have the original as well as the later extract. There is info on the original that isn't on the extract - but it's things like mother's name etc that I have included here (above). The original looks to me like it says "Jamie" rather than James, but no other clues (though I note she took a full 2 months to register the birth).

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Lanarkshire / Re: Trying to piece together my "orphan" grandfather's story
« on: Monday 29 April 13 19:40 BST (UK)  »
I dont hold out much hope from 220 Hope St - it feels like there was a lot of to and fro there, probably much turnover between census.

 I'd forgotten about the 1930 adoption thing - I'm in Fife, other side of the country but a visit to Glasgow quite feasible for some dirt world research.

I think though John/Ian is well documented, James/John -> Ian is a thin line, especially within a context where names seem to have come and gone with a fluency we wouldn't recognise today.

I can't rule out him being born catholic, which would be especially amusing as I remember him in his masonic apron as an adult - given what I (don't) know of his life, his religion may have varied with his upbringing.


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Lanarkshire / Re: Trying to piece together my "orphan" grandfather's story
« on: Monday 29 April 13 14:45 BST (UK)  »
Death cert only reflects what the family knew - and includes (from memory) James and Ian.

Birth cert I have was issued in 1941 but refers to entry no 89 in the 1904 Blythswood register - which is where the illegitimate birth to Helen comes from.

I seems like some of the searches i need to do - by address, by occupation - are going to be expensive in ScotlandsPeople credits, so will need to be done when I next spend a day at the centre there.

But the biggest part of the problem (maybe) is not finding Alexander Wilson and Mary Stewart as a couple within any of the nets I have cast - perhaps I need to cast wider.
 

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Lanarkshire / Re: Trying to piece together my "orphan" grandfather's story
« on: Sunday 28 April 13 23:58 BST (UK)  »
220 Hope Street seems to have been multi-occupancy, with something like 26 schedules listed for 1901 - no I haven't been through them. That may have to wait until my next trip to the ScotlandsPeople centre.

The lady of the estate at that time would have been (according to the current incumbent) either Mrs Bunten (who hailed from Glasgow originally) or her daughter Jeannie de Sales La Terriere.

The Housekeeper at Craig Var (only adult listed) was Margaret Ross.

Looking that up has just reminded me of something that may be significant ...

In 1911, my grandfather is listed in the census as James Stewart Wilson, so it appears something significant had happened by then to change his name. I think the Ian/James may be somewhat interchangeable, but the Stewart middle name has appeared after birth.

Perhaps he had been already adopted by Alexander and Mary, been renamed, and then orphaned when they died - all before going to Kinloch Rannoch?


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Lanarkshire / Re: Trying to piece together my "orphan" grandfather's story
« on: Sunday 28 April 13 23:08 BST (UK)  »
The birth and marriage certificates came from my grandfathers documents.

He was known throughout his life as Ian but it was also known that his proper name was James - and he named his first son that.

Yes I'm thinking likely scenarios include Alexander Wilson could be a brother or parent of Helen, but it's not obvious what the sequence of events could have been.

In 1911 James/Ian was boarded out in Kinloch Rannoch - an understandable situation with a single parent mother, but not so much if he had been adopted by Alexander and Mary, so assume they are not in the picture then.

Given that he seems to have successfully learned a trade and worked as a joiner - and stayed in Kinloch Rannoch, meeting his wife there - its not clear at what point he would have needed Alexander and Helen to step in and adopt him, especially as it would have presumably had to have happened in a quite small window between 1911 and whenever he became independent.

I can imagine an uncle or grandparent adopting him, but would have thought it more likely to have happened before/instead of being boarded out.

All of which points to Alexander and Mary being fabricated. But it seems a big step to take the name of a made up adopted parent as your middle name - and to pass that name down as a middle name of your daughter (my mother). That makes them seem more likely to be real.


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