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Wow Tim, I started this thread back in 2006 when researching my friend Barry Colyerís ancestry following a church charity auction. It was an interesting and rewarding exercise. I too marvelled at the travelling which would have taken months by boat. The icing on the cake was obtaining a photo of an ancestor in America who clearly shared facial features with Barry. It provided him with a wide ranging geographical family history trail to follow with the site of the family brickworks by the river Swan in Perth still in evidence. I have shared your latest entry with him.
Thanks for sharing,

It was mentioned earlier that there is a record of Margaret Kirchener marrying Patrick Gahagan of in 1830 at St. Michaelís Limerick. She is described as a widow and I believe had been Simonís wife. In the 1841 census Patrick is to be found working as a tailor in Swansea with his wife Margaret and some children. Also in the household is someone transcribed as Louisa Kirknon of an age which fits with the Louisa Kirchner who marries Samuel Parker in 1848 in Swansea. I have checked the name Kirknon and it appears nowhere else! I believe Louisa was the son of Simon Kirchener the cabinet maker and that because he had died her elder brother Benjamin - who had moved to England and who was also a cabinetmaker - stood in for him.

Hi there Mike and welcome to Rootschat!

Welll, that was a surprise alert this morning!

I opened this thread when researching my friend Barry Colyerís family tree following my contribution to a charity auction. I doní t know if you are in touch with him but I have passed on your message to him.

To clarify - when you refer to your brick walls you are referring to dead ends in your family tree and not part of the Colyer family physical legacy in Perth!

Best Wishes,

The Common Room / Re: "Who do you think you are?" October
« on: Friday 30 October 20 11:33 GMT (UK)  »
 'Possibly people who went to Australia have more interesting family histories since emigrating than those of us whose ancestors stayed put?'

Not in my case - for all the wrong reasons!  :D


The Common Room / Re: "Who do you think you are?" October
« on: Thursday 29 October 20 23:47 GMT (UK)  »
Ruth Jones was also responsible for Stella which is another excellent series and a good laugh. I can only say that Ruth Jones contribution has been massive ....


The Common Room / Re: "Who do you think you are?" October
« on: Wednesday 28 October 20 07:56 GMT (UK)  »
Enjoyed the Ruth Jones episode. Given her strong personality it was no surprise to find her ancestors had been those who took charge whether it be the men (boats amd medical societies) or the women (coping with any number of kids while hubby’s away at sea). I thought the lady at the centre of the photo was the mother rather than the eldest sister.
I noticed that Ruth’s mam asked her to translate the Welsh of her ancestors and Ruth herself was delighted to find that they were fluent in Welsh which is an interesting insight into Welsh social history.
We tend to almost deify individual heroes of history, attributing much more to them than is merited. I felt that Aneurin Bevan was brought back to earth a bit in this episode. Like Shakespeare he built on the foundation of others and the way the old guard was treated leaves a bit to be desired. (Notwithstanding, the creation of the NHS was an immense achievement.)


The Common Room / Re: WDYTYA - David Walliams
« on: Friday 23 October 20 17:03 BST (UK)  »
Wow, there were some tough and resilient women in David's background and it's a shame we only learn about them in passing. Accepting that there were extreme circumstances to cope with in WW1 on the battle front, I still couldn't help wondering if his ancestor had a predisposition to reacting in the way he did, and if there was any evidence further up the tree. The episode certainly brought home the horror of war and the difficulties of the less well heeled which I think is to be welcomed. I thought David handled the difficult revelations with dignity.


The Common Room / Re: "Who do you think you are?" October
« on: Wednesday 14 October 20 16:01 BST (UK)  »
I find speculation concerning whether Walter was or was not part of the family interesting as it mirrors the thoughts I've had about my step uncle Norman. He was the son of my gran's first husband (who had disappeared off to Australia by 1911) and in the 1911 census is recorded as living with her parents. She would have been heavily pregnant with twins and was living with relatives away from the area. She subsequently died in 1917 in Hull where my grandfather was stationed and my grandfather subsequently volunteered for more active service and was killed in 1918.  Whether Norman was part of his mother's second family I don't know and the 1921 census won't help! I do know that he ended up being sent to the sport's man C.B.Fry's school in Portsmouth which prepared boys for the navy. To say he had an awkward upbringing is probably an understatement but he lived to the ripe old age of 96!


The Common Room / Re: "Who do you think you are?" October
« on: Monday 12 October 20 23:55 BST (UK)  »
Just experienced one of those peculiar coincidences: earlier today on the way back from a break on the Isle of Wight my wife and I called in at Winchester and visited the Cathedral and the Horse Power military museum. Switched on the box and there was the museum!  Never ever seen any reference to It on the tele before! At least Jodie was aware of her uncle Walter - I only discovered the details of my fatherís older half brother after he died and he lived to well over 90!


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